What to do!?

[EvaFan]

Or do I really need to buy a new optical drive + editing software to fill the gaps?

IMO this is your best answer, if your serious about wanting to become an amv editor.

But you really should just look at the pros/cons of both and just decide for yourself.

The way I see it though, it's even more of a waste to own blu-rays and not use them to edit with, they are very costly and it just doesn't make sense to download the same material after you spent that much money on it. Besides that, a new drive would benefit you more in the long run if you intend to buy more blu-rays. Not to mention, most of the org has turned into substantial quality whores so you would be doing them all a favor as well by making your amvs 1080p+, 4d, and omni directional sound support.

[mirkosp]

I said crf not cfr. Crf stands for Constant RateFactor, is commonly named "Constant Quality," and is the encoding mode of x264 which applies a different quantizer to every frame to get a seemingly identical quality throughout the whole thing. It has nothing to do with framerate, which is what you were referring to with vfr.
As for screenshots, here's a screenshot of Qwaser: http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1479 ... 053220.png
Quite ugly, you'll agree. Here's a screenshot from Bakemonogatari for comparison: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5682 ... 010522.png
Now we start talking, am I right?

@pwolf: I was referring to upscale in general. Air is upscaled from DVD, Qwaser is 540 upscaled to 1080, and Macross Zero is 720 upscaled to 1080. It could have been possible to render at a higher res... or at least to upscale more properly (eg: Kanon 2006... it is 720 upscaled to 1080, but looks almost as if it was native 1080: http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1345 ... 183720.png).

[Kionon]

Qwaser is a shitty anime. Maybe they figured as long as there were enough jiggling boobs, no one would notice the jaggies.

[Mister Hatt]

I always use x264, it is the best codec in the world until h265 comes out (joint effort by mpeg and 3rd party)

Almost everything you have said is complete garbage. By the time that standard stops being hypothetical and is actually implemented, wavelet codecs should be far more prevalent, which would kind of defeat the purpose of a better DCT codec. People are getting access to higher and higher bandwidth/storage options so having better compression isn't really that big of a problem besides for data efficiency. You're also confusing x264 with H.264. Stop doing that.

I don't do multipass since it's more likely to fail in vegas, since vegas is optimized for 1 pass. Also, I don't do vfr encoding, I always use IVTC material, when I get blu-rays it will be film material. There is no need for vfr, that is unrelated to bitrate. Also, can you link to some Qwaser HD screencaps and some good HD Anime screencaps for reference. Of course this would have to be Japanese Blu-Ray, since I have 5 R1 blu-rays, the best looking ones being Evangelion 1.11 and FullMetal Alchemist : The Conqueror of Shamballa

FMA's troll movie was an upscale. Not all blurays are FILM material. VFR impacts bitrate, and even post-IVTC you can end up with VFR.

[kickass331]

I said crf not cfr. Crf stands for Constant RateFactor, is commonly named "Constant Quality," and is the encoding mode of x264 which applies a different quantizer to every frame to get a seemingly identical quality throughout the whole thing. It has nothing to do with framerate, which is what you were referring to with vfr.
As for screenshots, here's a screenshot of Qwaser: http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1479 ... 053220.png
Quite ugly, you'll agree. Here's a screenshot from Bakemonogatari for comparison: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5682 ... 010522.png
Now we start talking, am I right?

@pwolf: I was referring to upscale in general. Air is upscaled from DVD, Qwaser is 540 upscaled to 1080, and Macross Zero is 720 upscaled to 1080. It could have been possible to render at a higher res... or at least to upscale more properly (eg: Kanon 2006... it is 720 upscaled to 1080, but looks almost as if it was native 1080: http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1345 ... 183720.png).

i had a feeling that you misspelled cfr for a reason. Yes I've heard of quality encoding, 1 pass, 2 pass, npass, and quality are the 4 mainstream options. I use one pass.

[kickass331]

I always use x264, it is the best codec in the world until h265 comes out (joint effort by mpeg and 3rd party)

Almost everything you have said is complete garbage. By the time that standard stops being hypothetical and is actually implemented, wavelet codecs should be far more prevalent, which would kind of defeat the purpose of a better DCT codec. People are getting access to higher and higher bandwidth/storage options so having better compression isn't really that big of a problem besides for data efficiency. You're also confusing x264 with H.264. Stop doing that.

I don't do multipass since it's more likely to fail in vegas, since vegas is optimized for 1 pass. Also, I don't do vfr encoding, I always use IVTC material, when I get blu-rays it will be film material. There is no need for vfr, that is unrelated to bitrate. Also, can you link to some Qwaser HD screencaps and some good HD Anime screencaps for reference. Of course this would have to be Japanese Blu-Ray, since I have 5 R1 blu-rays, the best looking ones being Evangelion 1.11 and FullMetal Alchemist : The Conqueror of Shamballa

FMA's troll movie was an upscale. Not all blurays are FILM material. VFR impacts bitrate, and even post-IVTC you can end up with VFR.

i had a feeling it was, however I'm blown away by that blu-ray more than any other upscale / even blu rays like the dark knight. And yes I know the blu-ray format supports irregular things. It does 720p/480p/480/1080i/1080p at 24/25/30 fps in VC-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AFAIK. I could be wrong. VFR Impacts bitrate, but only if a large portion is much higher bitrate, for example a 120fps OP+ED Raw, not when VFR maintains about the same. And even if you can IVTC with vfr, I always encode things at 23.976 fps cfr, since I don't see the need for vfr. VFR isn't an accurate representation of the actual number of image data available.

[Mister Hatt]

i had a feeling that you misspelled cfr for a reason. Yes I've heard of quality encoding, 1 pass, 2 pass, npass, and quality are the 4 mainstream options. I use one pass.

He didn't misspell it at all, he wrote CRF. You don't know much about x264 do you? You have constant quantizer, constant ratefactor, and average bitrate coding options. Bitrate averaging can be done over as many analysis passes as you want but it really needs only one. When you say you do 1 pass, what do you mean, because that can be either a first pass, a second pass without analysis, constant quantization, or constant ratefactoring. Be more specific.

i had a feeling it was, however I'm blown away by that blu-ray more than any other upscale / even blu rays like the dark knight.

So you're blind, nice that we've established that. The only reason an upscaled BD would ever look better is that it has more bitrate, unless it was mastered from the DVD in the first place in which case lol Yukikaze.

And yes I know the blu-ray format supports irregular things. It does 720p/480p/480/1080i/1080p at 24/25/30 fps in VC-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AFAIK. I could be wrong.

In what way are those irregular? Regularity would imply it has a norm, and you don't even know what the norm is. It does more than just those framerates too. Actual codecs in use are VC-1, MPEG2, and MPEG4-AVC.

VFR Impacts bitrate, but only if a large portion is much higher bitrate, for example a 120fps OP+ED Raw, not when VFR maintains about the same.

You completely misunderstand the concept of bitrate, along with how VFR works.

And even if you can IVTC with vfr, I always encode things at 23.976 fps cfr, since I don't see the need for vfr. VFR isn't an accurate representation of the actual number of image data available.

Then your motion will be broken, and as I said above, you don't understand how VFR works.

[kickass331]

i had a feeling that you misspelled cfr for a reason. Yes I've heard of quality encoding, 1 pass, 2 pass, npass, and quality are the 4 mainstream options. I use one pass.

He didn't misspell it at all, he wrote CRF. You don't know much about x264 do you? You have constant quantizer, constant ratefactor, and average bitrate coding options. Bitrate averaging can be done over as many analysis passes as you want but it really needs only one. When you say you do 1 pass, what do you mean, because that can be either a first pass, a second pass without analysis, constant quantization, or constant ratefactoring. Be more specific.

i had a feeling it was, however I'm blown away by that blu-ray more than any other upscale / even blu rays like the dark knight.

So you're blind, nice that we've established that. The only reason an upscaled BD would ever look better is that it has more bitrate, unless it was mastered from the DVD in the first place in which case lol Yukikaze.

And yes I know the blu-ray format supports irregular things. It does 720p/480p/480/1080i/1080p at 24/25/30 fps in VC-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AFAIK. I could be wrong.

In what way are those irregular? Regularity would imply it has a norm, and you don't even know what the norm is. It does more than just those framerates too. Actual codecs in use are VC-1, MPEG2, and MPEG4-AVC.

VFR Impacts bitrate, but only if a large portion is much higher bitrate, for example a 120fps OP+ED Raw, not when VFR maintains about the same.

You completely misunderstand the concept of bitrate, along with how VFR works.

And even if you can IVTC with vfr, I always encode things at 23.976 fps cfr, since I don't see the need for vfr. VFR isn't an accurate representation of the actual number of image data available.

Then your motion will be broken, and as I said above, you don't understand how VFR works.

1st pass and why are there both crf and quant, I thought quality and quant were the same thing, sorry i like sham lol, irregular means why in the hell would anyone in their right mind use VC-1, it's only supported because microsoft wants money, and those are the same codecs I listed, I understand bitrate, it's data / time, if the framerate only varies by 2 fps it's no big deal, I never noticed problems with motion and I find 24 fps satisfactory for everything I've done. VFR is only necessary for things that aren't ntsc/pal/blu-ray, that have been upscaled fr-wise.

[Mister Hatt]

MPEG4 does not mean H.264. It can be multiple codecs (and containers). MPEG4-AVC is what bluray has. MPEG4-ASP for example is what XviD and DivX are. VC-1 is by no means a shitty codec, it just isn't as good as AVC. There are times when MPEG2 is better than AVC as well.

Constant ratefactor is there because it's useful, while constant quantizer is there for situations which require it, mostly for testing purposes. x264 is after all still in alpha.

VFR is usually used at 23.976fps and 29.970fps together, which is more than 2 fps difference and can reduce a 24 minute episode to 19 minutes. It does impact bitrate quite significantly. You probably don't notice motion problems because you don't seem to understand how anything works, and as you stated in regard to the FMA troll bluray, you're quite obviously blind. Your last sentence doesn't even make sense, especially as you grouped bluray as a picture coding standard like PAL and NTSC when in reality it's a format that uses those standards. I wonder if you even know how to IVTC something properly or not. A fair bit of anime for example is natively 29.970fps in the first place and doesn't require IVTC. Bakemonogatari for example is VFR with telecined, soft telecined, and progressive material all in a single episode on the DVD. You would fuck that up massively by IVTCing the entire thing.

[ZephyrStar]

(sorry, I don't like people that have more money spent on dvds of anime than my house and hummer h3)

>hummer h3

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