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Post by Machine » Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:48 pm

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vid unfairness

Post by ZaCloud » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:04 pm

There are indeed few enough videos that the people in charge can look at them... There are many "first videos" that say right in their descriptions that they're not really their first videos. :?

And "Shounen Bushidou" as best use of simplicity? It's anything BUT simple.

I hope nobody holds it against these and other such videos in the categories they really belong to (action, drama, etc), but it does make me sad that there's so many other vids that have been kept out due to this.

I don't think anything can be done about it this late in the game... Just, everybody, read the descriptions on the vids and consider how well they fit in their categories before you vote on them. It's up to us now, to pick up the pieces and do our best to salvage this contest's fairness while we still can.

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Re: vid unfairness

Post by GinnySeta » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:15 pm

_Ice-Angel_ wrote:There are indeed few enough videos that the people in charge can look at them... There are many "first videos" that say right in their descriptions that they're not really their first videos. :?
If you read the description of the category, it says "The first video ever made public by a creator."

My video is up for nomination in this category, and while it is not the first video I ever made, it is most definitely the first video I've ever made public - most of my previous videos will never see the light of day.

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Post by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:53 pm

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_Ice-Angel_ wrote:There are indeed few enough videos that the people in charge can look at them... There are many "first videos" that say right in their descriptions that they're not really their first videos. :?
If you read the description of the category, it says "The first video ever made public by a creator."

My video is up for nomination in this category, and while it is not the first video I ever made, it is most definitely the first video I've ever made public - most of my previous videos will never see the light of day.
Alot of situations concerning this is most likely the same as my situation, My first video was submitted to a convention, and I decided not to release it on the site until it showed at the con. I however made a second video afterwards, and uploaded it right away, since I didn't plan on submitting it. Hence why my Second video is now listed as my first. I think The code goes by date Premeired, So since my second premeired on the site first, its counted as my "first" video.


I also agree that there is a definate need for seperate Fun / Comedy and Romance / Sentimental videos.

My "Eternal Sky" isn't realy romance. but its Sentimental. (The pair could even be considered just good freinds in the video rather than a couple)

Oratorio of Ghibli also by me is an even better example, absolutely no romantic feelings at all in it, yet it is Sentimental. Same could go for DwChangs Here comes the sun, and alot of multiple source Ghibli videos, including Memories Dance.

"Insomnia" I consider more Romantic than Sentimental, Although I'll agree, most Romantic videos could easily fall under Sentimental aswell.

The only category I feel should not have been accepted is Best No effects, mostly because of the whole grey area in what constitutes something as an Effect.

And theres no excuse whatsoever for Whisper of the beast or Shounin Bushido to be in Best Simplicity.


Good topic, Lets hope some of the editors take this into consideration.

I'll also mention, since I don't think it was here yet, that there are also a few Editors in "Rookie of the year" that don't belong, but is there either because its a name made for a colaberation, or a foreign Editor new to the site, though they have been making videos for years. I think there should be a way for editors to Disqualify themselves in cases like this, Since the system has no way of knowing who fits these circumstances.
Something I think should maybe be considered for next year? And I only bring this up since the ones in question particularly made some pretty popular vids this year...
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Post by ZaCloud » Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:07 pm

If you read the description of the category, it says "The first video ever made public by a creator."
I know that. But one example is Shining Finger folks, with Digi Titans Nyo! (I think... comp's too choppy to check right now). Where they said they had a different account but just made a new one. (I hope they deleted their old one :? ) And that was the first video on their NEW account.

That's what I mean mostly.

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Post by Otohiko » Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:02 pm

Well, as much as I am disappointed with some of the categories... I'll let it be - with one exception, where I already issued a call to the "editor" in question elsewhere. If nothing happens in the next little bit - could I have a word with the admins on something?
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Post by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] » Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:07 pm

Otohiko wrote:Well, as much as I am disappointed with some of the categories... I'll let it be - with one exception, where I already issued a call to the "editor" in question elsewhere. If nothing happens in the next little bit - could I have a word with the admins on something?
x2 ...

"Whisper of the beast" being in best first video is just so unfair to the other true candidates... Unlike some of them maybe being a second video just uploaded first, this video is very far from the creators first video...

But can't say I didn't expect this. :roll:

Silver_moon's video didn't even make romance :(
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Post by Beowulf » Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:16 pm

I think what has been painfully obvious this year is the need for some sort of administrative crackdown people checking innapropriate genre boxes for their videos.

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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:59 pm

Beowulf wrote:I think what has been painfully obvious this year is the need for some sort of administrative crackdown people checking innapropriate genre boxes for their videos.
If you want to go through thousands of videos picking categories on the behalf of creators they be my guest. Personally I dont see anyway around this problem.

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Post by Otohiko » Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:21 pm

But I don't think he's suggesting thousands. He's only suggesting the few dozen (at most) of those who actually get nominated...
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Post by Illia Sadri » Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:33 pm

Fact is it's really a matter of convincing the viewers to use half a brain when making a selection.

But I agree perhaps in future years it might be a good option to go through the few dozen or so that are posed to make the semifinals (even if it takes a few extra days) just to weed out any that simply blatantly do not fit.

But really if viewers don't want to use some basic common sense on what is a no-effects video and such... I think that says a lot of the community as a whole.

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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:11 am

Otohiko wrote:But I don't think he's suggesting thousands. He's only suggesting the few dozen (at most) of those who actually get nominated...
But who is to say that they have a better opinion on this than the creator?

If a creator says "Hey I shouldn't be in this category" then fine but otherwise I don't know if it's our place. Things like incorrect "first videos" and things like that I can understand (and we did filter those before compiling the finalists) but things like "videos that arent really all that sentimental" I just think it's way too subjective.

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Post by theocide » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:44 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:If you want to go through thousands of videos picking categories on the behalf of creators they be my guest.
Is it really such a chore to watch other's videos? :wink: I officially volunteer. I and a panel of volunteers(shouldn't be hard to find) will watch every qualified video next year and place each as nominatable into the categories which they belong.
AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Personally I dont see anyway around this problem.
Don't pretend the system is beyond reform.
How about a simple form for the creator to check 3-5 categories to enter each of his videos? Limiting the number of categories would increase all creators' chances with few exceptions. At least the exceptions in that case would number less than the complaints in this case.
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:51 am

It's a chore for the admins, we have a lot of other things to do.

The problem is that the creators already DO select categories to go in when they choose the categories on their video. They can change this information throughout the entire first round to make sure they dont appear in the wrong filter.

What you suggest is no different from what already exists.

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Post by theocide » Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:43 am

In favor of shrewd organization and fairness:
I volunteer. I don't have alot of other things to do. If you're concerned that having a panel of "category appointers" would be objected to, put it to a vote.
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Site Announcement
Official Poll:
Should VCA 2006 category appointment be dictated by a panel?
YES
NO

Should this poll vote in favor of the panel, there could be an official election of, say, 12(or more) volunteer panel members whose duty would be categorization of every qualified video for the upcoming VCA's. It would be their duty, also, to clearly define what constitutes qualification for each category, and, upon request, justify their appropriations, siting these definitions. ETC

If the admins don't have the time or energy to rule the VCA's, they could leave the "burden" to those who eagerly and enthusiastically do.


My other suggestion, more specifically, is that there should be a form for each of every creator's qualified vids. The form would limit entry of each vid to 3-5 categories(I'd go with 3). This would be separate from the "video info." form.
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