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Post by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:01 am

I think there should just be a way for creators to disqualify themselves (that particular video) if they think their video doesn't belong in a particular category that it ends up getting nominated to. Some editors don't realize they made the mistake of the category before its too late, as an example, I don't think ScorpionsULTD purposely kept the effects box unchecked, and even if they did they may not have been thinking about the VCAs in that decission. I did the same with a few of my vids, didn't think about the VCAs when flagging the categories, and so missed out on a few that would have fit. Istiv even concured that Shounin Bushido didn't belong in character profile, if there was a way for him to disqualify himself from that, someone else would've had a chance to make it to the finals.

All I think is nessisary is a way for the creators themselves to weed out incorrect nominations of their own videos in the semi final round.
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:02 am

Creators can disqualify themselves... all they have to do is tell us.

As nobody actually did then I guess that's their problem.

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Post by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:07 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Creators can disqualify themselves... all they have to do is tell us.

As nobody actually did then I guess that's their problem.
I don't think anyone knew they could ;p This wasn't exaclty mentioned anywhere that I can remember ^^
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Post by Otohiko » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:36 am

Well, I think you have to remember that the admins set the category definitions, and while grey areas are quite probably out of their power - I'm sure in instances where a video is grossly mis-categorized something can and should be done without taking too much effort...
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Post by Scintilla » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:59 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:The problem is that the creators already DO select categories to go in when they choose the categories on their video. They can change this information throughout the entire first round to make sure they dont appear in the wrong filter.
The thing is, though, as <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... 2">someone else pointed out on another thread</a> (I hadn't realized it before), this year that only worked on the lip synch and effects categories.

Apparently, you could have nominated AEO:EB for Best Romance if you really felt like it, by selecting a filter that would include it.

No, I <i>don't</i> agree with this, but that's how it was.
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:38 pm

Scintilla wrote:Apparently, you could have nominated AEO:EB for Best Romance if you really felt like it, by selecting a filter that would include it.
I'm aware of this. This is intentional.

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Post by godix » Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:15 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Creators can disqualify themselves... all they have to do is tell us.

As nobody actually did then I guess that's their problem.
Not that I want to get into the VCA bashing since by now it's pointless and I'm sure you're sick of it but....

Did the posts several creators did saying their videos were nominated in the wrong catagories and requesting people to not vote for them in those catagories count as telling you?
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:25 am

godix wrote:Did the posts several creators did saying their videos were nominated in the wrong catagories and requesting people to not vote for them in those catagories count as telling you?
Not if we don't read them they don't. This is a shameless pimping forum, so I wasn't checking here for this sort of thing. Had there been a thread in site help or suggestions then that would have been different. You can't expect the contest admins to read every thread.

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Post by Bote » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:25 am

I don't see why you all bother. AD isn't going to change anything even if 100s of us posted at once. And were there some background checks of the voters? You know, like trying to see whether some of them are multiple accounts?
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Post by Kalium » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:31 am

bote wrote:And were there some background checks of the voters? You know, like trying to see whether some of them are multiple accounts?
When you take into consideration public access points (like libraries) and public email services (like hotmail, yahoo mail, etc.) checking for dupe accounts becomes more or less impossible. If the person is intelligent.

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Post by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:32 am

bote wrote:I don't see why you all bother. AD isn't going to change anything even if 100s of us posted at once. And were there some background checks of the voters? You know, like trying to see whether some of them are multiple accounts?
Keep in mind AD isn't all powerfull. Phade has the final say in alot of things, and there are some things AD can't change.
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Post by Bote » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:53 am

Kalium wrote:
bote wrote:And were there some background checks of the voters? You know, like trying to see whether some of them are multiple accounts?
When you take into consideration public access points (like libraries) and public email services (like hotmail, yahoo mail, etc.) checking for dupe accounts becomes more or less impossible. If the person is intelligent.
Perhaps, but seeing how certain profiles look I can't help but think those are multiple accounts. Example:

User Name: Whatever
Member Since: Saturday, Februar 19, 2004, 9:20 AM
Name: Whatever
Location: N/A
Email: xxxxx@hotmail.com
Last Login: 2004-02-19 9:25:00 Forum Info: Profile Posts (0)
Current date: January 9th 2005
Journal: N/A
Opinions Given:3
Opinion Average: 10.00
Favourite videos: All 3 from the same creator

I've seen at least 10 accounts like this. And you're saying that trying to hunt down multiple accounts is unintelligent? Go figure.
Keep in mind AD isn't all powerfull. Phade has the final say in alot of things, and there are some things AD can't change.
I know that. Keep in mind AD said he had disqualified himself in order to check the VCA for irregularities.
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Post by Kalium » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:03 am

The thing is, it's very difficult to automate. There are simply too many accounts to go through by hand, too.

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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:34 am

OK 1) People are more likely to be stupid than malicious. 2) Who says I'm not going to do something.

See, the fact that various information was released *after* the final started puts me ina tricky situation. If this was before then I'd have removed various entries no question.

At present it appear that ScorpionUltd should not be in either the Rookie or First Video categories. Exactly what we do about this now that MANY votes have been cast is a problem and one I wanted to confer with Phade about before taking any action because if any removal happens then there are potentially over 200 votes that could have gone to *any* of the other finalists. Do we email the people who voted? Do we make a big deal of this so that people know to recast their vote and hence publically name and shame ScorpionsUltd for something that was probably not premeditated?

These are the questions that I will put to phade, we will make a decision and we will see.

As for doing background checks on the voters..... dude.... we have over a thousand people voting this year... we already make sure that only people who signed up in 2004 and earlier can vote so the chances of people having an account JUST to vote in the VCAs is pretty slim and when the votes are in the numbers that we are talking about for the finals it's just a few raindrops in the ocean.

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Post by dwchang » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:58 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:As for doing background checks on the voters..... dude.... we have over a thousand people voting this year... we already make sure that only people who signed up in 2004 and earlier can vote so the chances of people having an account JUST to vote in the VCAs is pretty slim and when the votes are in the numbers that we are talking about for the finals it's just a few raindrops in the ocean.
Not to add fuel to the "fire" since I agree with your actions given the predicament (since voting has already started), but I believe bote was referring to opinion abuse, which seems more rampant lately.

I won't name names (or videos), but I too have seen the same thing he's talking about. In fact, there's quite a few new videos in the top 10% that I've downloaded (in hopes that they were good) and quite frankly, they're not.

Then again, given how the baysian system works, videos need to gradually go up (i.e. harder) so it would be pretty difficult to get say 20+ people to abuse the system. I will admit that much.

At the same time (again), like bote, I have seen quite a few suspicious accounts giving ops to the same creator and their averages being really high.

Given I won't say I know for sure, but it seems suspicious. Anyway, I could be wrong and bote wasn't referring to this at all *shrug*. It's not even VCA related afterall.
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