A call to nominated editors.

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A call to nominated editors.

Post by Otohiko » Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:07 pm

Hello editors,

I figure since VCA are a democratic event of sorts, things shouldn't be decided by anything else other than the videos, their editors, and the popular votes.

Since it seems that the popular vote is sometimes not sufficiently informed, I would like to appeal to a certain number of editors whom I would at present avoid naming:

Please, if you have been nominated for a category for which you or your video are clearly NOT qualified, do the right thing and contact the administration in an effort to prevent further confusion.

I would not be particularly concerned about this were it not for the overwhelming popularity of a number of the videos in question, which may result in them moving on farther then expected and compromising the winning chances of other deserving, qualified videos and editors.

In some cases, they have been nominated by a mistake on the part of the wider public; in other cases, nominations have been made because the wider public is not sufficiently aware of the editor's career.

So please, do the right thing.
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Post by Bote » Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:39 pm

I'm too lazy to contact the admins, but I'll admit that "War of wrath" isn't dramatic enough to get the nomination. Thanks to whoever nominated it though :up:.
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Post by Otohiko » Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:25 pm

Is that comma intentional? :lol:

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Actually, War of Wrath would probably work as drama in some respects - though I guess that's not the focus of the vid. But I mean, it's certainly not an empty-shell vid without any emotion in it, for one.

I'm speaking more for videos and editors which are completely out of place based on the category definitions.
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Post by DrngdKreationz » Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:54 pm

umm.. is that a trick question?

Actually, I think it was just a typo.

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Post by dwchang » Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:57 pm

I don't mean to sound ignorant and I honestly am asking this as a legit question, but do you consider a flash to B&W an effect? Or slight motion settings like say a slow zoom to 110% to have the perception of motion? Or speeding things up and down?

If so, then I guess I'd need to e-mail the admins too.

I honestly am not trying to be sarcastic in this post since I honestly thought I actually belonged in those categories, but I could be wrong right?

BTW thanks for the post Oto!
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Post by Otohiko » Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:05 pm

Well, the definition of effects is rather shady, thus the problem.

I think heavy alteration of the source footage and/or heavy use of external purpose-built motion graphics (if that makes any sense) is a good indication that a video has effects. But there's all kinds of grey areas and ambiguities around that - so if a video is in a grey area like that, I'd just let the public do the judging...
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Post by Maverick-Rubik » Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:25 pm

If I recall, that was the point of Best Simplicity... since no-effects is literally NO EFFECTS.

dw your vid would fit best simplicity but not No-effects, in my opinion.

There is a difference? :shock: :roll:

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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:49 pm

The No Effect category is bound to be plagued with these issues... The other consideration is that if you speed or slow down footage is that an effect???

Technically the use of fades is using effects and hence the only way you are going to get the absolute true definition is if all you use if straight cuts and non sped manipulated footage...

In other words, it's back to what a person thinks a effect is and thus we are bound to disagree here... There is really no point in dicussing it and just lleave ot to each person ot decide for himself :wink:

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Post by Mr Pilkington » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:59 pm

Otohiko wrote:I'm speaking more for videos and editors which are completely out of place based on the category definitions.
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Post by Beowulf » Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:18 am

Effects = you notice it.

if you dont, then its a good NO FX video, nuff said.

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Post by Mr Pilkington » Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:28 pm

Beowulf wrote:.....then its a good NOFX video, nuff said.
Wow, I must have misread the title. I was nominating videos done for that musical group
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Post by Zaphod_Beeblebrox » Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:57 pm

I think the point that Otohiko is trying to get across is that videos that really should be nominated for some categories have, e.g.:

Whisper of the Beast has been nominated for best no effects?!?!?!?!?!
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Post by Tyler_yj » Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:41 pm

Maverick-Rubik wrote:If I recall, that was the point of Best Simplicity... since no-effects is literally NO EFFECTS.

dw your vid would fit best simplicity but not No-effects, in my opinion.

There is a difference? :shock: :roll:
Well, some people notice just now some problems with entries in some categories... But in my opinion, it's just because some categories are definitively ridiculous we can notice these "problems"...

Best use of simplicity, best no effect video, best lip sync :roll:
Comedy AND fun, sentimental AND romantic (it's almost the same kinf of video :roll: ) Now some people are against videos which shoundn't be in some categories... It's a joke ? :lol:

Please don't accept stupid prices if it's to be disagree with the results after...

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Post by dwchang » Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:33 pm

Tyler_yj wrote:But in my opinion, it's just because some categories are definitively ridiculous we can notice these "problems"...

Best use of simplicity, best no effect video, best lip sync :roll:
Comedy AND fun, sentimental AND romantic (it's almost the same kinf of video :roll: ) Now some people are against videos which shoundn't be in some categories... It's a joke ? :lol:
Uhm, were you being sarcastic?

Comedy and Fun are VERY different. Hell let's even look at the descriptions of the categories in the contest:
-Comedy - The Best Comedy award goes to the video which made the best jokes or comical situations - it's the video that made you laugh
-Fun - This video does not necessarily fit into just the comedy, dance, or action categories, but is more of a happy upbeat video that best leaves an overall good feeling with the viewer.

You're basically saying that all "feel good" AMVs are "comedic." That's wrong.

Sentimental and Romance are also very different:
-Romance - The end result is a video that tugs at the heart strings and leaves feelings of happiness, sadness, or other romantic emotions, but above all, a feeling of romance that the viewer experiences.
-Sentimental - Best video that brings out the inner feelings of the viewer, whether they be of positive or negative emotions, they are ones brought out of their very essence due to the powerful nature and story of the video.

Thinking they are the same is something a lot of people tend to do, but look at the descriptions alone. Sentimental is a video that brings about an emotion or feeling, positive *OR* negative. While Romance deals withw ell...romantic situations.

I could be overreacting and perhaps you were being sarcastic, but I disagree and feel all four of the categories are necessary and although there is overlapping videos in each category, that does not necessarily mean the categories are the same. Given that Phade allowed all these categories and people continually nominate them each year, I have a feeling people agree that they are legit categories.

If I extrapolated your argument I could go so far as to say half the categories are invalid and we should just have a "Best Video" category and that's it. Not that I believe it, but using your argument we could.
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