Instrumental Anime Project

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:40 pm

pen-pen2002 wrote: That being said however, I wouldn't say that anything instrumental is appropriate. Like DWP I have reservations about techno and there may be other styles, though I can't think of any off hand, that will not fit in with the rest of the pieces.

Hmm - I guess before I start deciding on my next choice - how are others on instrumental metal-type stuff - well, not necceserily metal per se, but just aggressive, guitar+drums+bass driven instrumental music in general?

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:49 pm

I think this might be a difference in interpretations of the project. I recall this project was started in another thread talking about classical music in amvs, which is where I got the bias that the project would feature noncontemporary music. Of course, the title of this topic is Instrumental Anime Project, which is quite different from the original topic of classical AMVs.

I was approaching this as a revival of Fantasia, which took played images against noncontemporary music at the time of its production. When I saw this project arise, I was primarily expecting classical, jazz, folk, concert band, and new age, as though the project was intended to stray from the already-popular modern pop, rock, and dance genres. So, I'm not for distorted guitars and sharp percussion (namely snare drums), unless they were incorporated in a piece that wasn't of modern popular culture genres.

pen pen: the second image is mamimi from rose4emily's vid (her hair is partially blocking her face)

Maverick-Rubik · Post by **Maverick-Rubik** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:40 pm

Alright.. here is my beta of what I'll be doing...

http://www.rokorp.net/amv/MWtAwip1.avi

I hope you'll accept it... since those that will recognize the song might not like its roots..

Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] · Post by **Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:30 pm

yes my song choice is in the songs folder. its called "Jared Hudson - The final summoning"

I've seen your new vid pen pen, excellent work. I like the new transitions in the begining, makes it less ... well makes it more interesting visually, lets put it that way ;p

Btw, that song was stuck in my head the whole day, thanks to your amv

I will have to get back on you after watching it a few times on any technical sugestions though. Its pretty good as it stands right now. Oh yea, I did notice the timing on your SOS flash sequence seems to have shifted off a bit since the update. was this intentional?

downwithpants: another excellent peice. Only thing i can pick at on first watch is the quality issues... Is this the max WMM format can output to quality wise? I mean can you output a better wuality file for actual inclusion into the project? if so then its probably all good.

Also, is there a deadline setup on when all vids have to be completed by?

If you need more material for inclusion, my Angel;s Redemption vid may be considered for inclusion, but it will primiere at Otakon, so it won't be anything secret. Basically I don't mind it included if you need more to fill the project, but its up to you.

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:00 pm

When talking about whether or not to include techno music, I have to ask what kind. Do you mean something like Alan Parsons with a lot of synths and so forth but also a lot of flowing change in the song's sound, or do you mean a club mix with the same thumping TR-707 kick at 120bps through the whole piece? The first type might work, the second really wouldn't. "Ambient" would probably depend on the piece.

While I don't think we should exclude music because of date or genre, it does make sense that everything that goes in here should really 'stand out' from what you can hear in the club or on commercial radio. Club music already has a home in single videos and things like the Animix projects. 'Metal' is also kinda iffy in that it's a much too general description of a type of music (kinda like 'Alternative' being applied to every late-90's group other than the Backstreet Boys). Otohiko's taste in rock music certainly lies along the lines of diverging from the norm, and some rock/metal bands (even a few popular ones like Tull, Sabbath, and Maiden) have produced a number of relatively complex and unique songs, but others (most Rap-Core bands come to mind) just play their power-chord riffs over a skilled but excessivly repetative drummer. As such some rock music might work (esp. that which combines rock with other, more acoustically-oriented styles - as can be seen with Jethro Tull and King Crimson) can be appropriate but most really would not. The fact that most rock music also has (semi) intelligable words also puts a real damper on its use given the fact that this is an instrumental project.

The titles are coming back to ThirdStone. They're out temporarily because I'm remaking them with image files to allow me more control and help make the text render better.

13'37" => 1337

Perhaps you've just thought of a new title for my segment, Otohiko. People might mistake it for 4'33", though.

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:04 pm

DownWithPants - you can export the video as a DV, send the audio source over as a .wav, and let one of us recombine them. My editor (Cinelerra) is notorious for its terrible sync (much worse than the WMM), so I export the video to one file, the audio to another, and use AviDemux to stick them back together for my final renders. For Windows I think you can do the same thing using VirtualDub.

Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] · Post by **Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:12 pm

so Metallica should work then, some of their songs have heavy use of violin and other synths in it. Oh wait... except it does have some vocals... On that note, is minor vocals ok? Or should it be all instrumental? I know Otohoko's first vid has vocals in it, but Metallica's songs has more than that. Sorta brings to mind how Eternal Damnation was considered instrumental, but it has alot of vocals in it aswell. On that note, would opera be considered Instrumental? Not that I plan to do any Opera peices... just wondering.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:10 pm

I think prominence of the vocals is key here. If you take Eternal Damnation or The Wasteland, the words aren't really essential to the song as much as they are in a ballad of some sort. And it's kind of hard to make out what they're saying, anyway.

I'd say it probably comes down to the individual case though. When in doubt, upload and consult

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:32 pm

the problem with the directshow AVI is that the desynch is variable throughout the piece. it's closely synched in the beginning - then get's more out of synch as the piece progresses - and i've tried changing the speed of the audio, to no avail. so shifting the entire video with virtualdub wouldn't really work, unless you shift around sections of the audio, which i would rather not do.

the last two minutes are somewhat close only because i shifted the audio back by a few seconds, and the variance of the desynch wasn't too high.

pen-pen2002 · Post by **pen-pen2002** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:00 am

One thing to think about when looking at songs is whether it could be in a Fantasia movie. This is obviously a strict standard as it would make videos like the wasteland borderline but it's a place to start. I think that time is not so much of an issue as feeling. Is it primarily melody driven or is it beat driven. Vocals are OK especially as choral instruments but having them be the center of the song is not. Beat synch should be secondary in these videos, it's about bringing the music to life visually, not just matching them up. Personally when it comes to music choice the question I will ask is: Could it be described as beautiful?

Otohiko wrote:Pen-Pen - just got a chance to look at your new version finally - excellent stuff, absolutely on the right track. I might have more technical things to say once I see it more, but overall, it seems to get more impressive as you go on. There are some points where it's merely so-so - flows along, nothing overly stunning, but then there's a lot of places where both the mood and beat sync are just really, really good.

On first impression, there's a part after 3:30 where you have a series of very even, rhythmical cuts - probably the best beat sync I've seen from you - followed directly by that whole 'flashback' scene which is likely the best mood sync combined with a lot of buildup from the previous sequences.

Great work, let's hope you can keep it up. I definitely love the technical choices here, and even though I've never seen Memories yet, it tells a coherent story even the first time you watch it.

I could sort of catch hints of some slightly more confusing bits, and I'll spot them more when I get a chance...

Yeah, at one point I thought about putting in titles to tell the story but I realized it would be redundant especially with a spoken intro. The so so parts are really annoying to me cause I can't seem to get a solid beat sync with those parts of the video. Also troubling because there's more of that later. Hopefully won't be a problem since there will be more instruments behind them and I'll have more action oriented scenes. I actually thought about cutting some already edited sections of the song but I figure they do a good job of telling the story so I'll leave them as is and just try to clean it as much as possible. As for mood sych a lot of the rest of the video will be similar to the flashback scene so I have high hopes.

Were you able to see that the wife changed into the opera singer in his nightmare?

DownWithPants wrote:I've seen your new vid pen pen, excellent work. I like the new transitions in the beginning, makes it less ... well makes it more interesting visually, lets put it that way ;p

Btw, that song was stuck in my head the whole day, thanks to your amv
I will have to get back on you after watching it a few times on any technical suggestions though. Its pretty good as it stands right now. Oh yea, I did notice the timing on your SOS flash sequence seems to have shifted off a bit since the update. was this intentional?

Stuck in your head? Well that would fit in with my plan to use this video for world domination.

Anyways I had to export directly from premiere and I think that that messed up some of the timing a bit. The SOS is still timed like it was before.

I think I'm going to have to change up the order of the anime a bit which may be difficult but will give better mood synch if I can pull it off.