Elfen Lied

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:45 am

Kadaj wrote:dude, any relationship is capable of producing genetic conditions that deter from the 'normal', but inbreeding is just one of the most likely, and of course i'm going to use that argument, as that is a fair reason WHY inbreeding is generally considered inappropriate . anyways, that's not a discussion for here.

So you would not be against two hemophiliacs (no genetic relatives) having a child?

I do agree that the situations portrayed in Elfen Lied with the option of killing a child to save society are very confronting and add depth and interest to the story. I think the yuka/kohta relationship was still rather weak in the anime, as apart from making a fragile love triangle with kohta, lucy and yuka, it did not serve a great deal of purpose. again it does make a nice moral issue about relationships which adds to the confronting nature of the series.

The parent/child and human/diclonious relationship was the whole premise of the anime. This anime dealt specifically with a human mutation and the moral issues that go with eugenics.

You specifically ignore that part of the storyline if you want to understand the conflict centered around Lucy.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:46 am

Lyrs wrote:You can't specifically ignore that part of the storyline if you want to understand the conflict centered around Lucy.

Kadaj · Post by **Kadaj** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:17 am

Lyrs wrote:So you would not be against two hemophiliacs (no genetic relatives) having a child?

I'm not against anything. I'm just relaying the facts of why people generally disprove of inbreeding. I'm not judging, just stating.

I see what you mean about how the whole premise of eugenics and mutation revolves around Lucy, as the internal and external conflicts she faces all epitomise the issue of acceptance of abnormalities in people.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:03 am

Kadaj wrote:I'm not against anything. I'm just relaying the facts of why people generally disprove of inbreeding. I'm not judging, just stating.

Does this mean that you don't support "society's opinion" on incest and inbreeding? I'm curious because this deals prominently with the moral, lesson, and or wisdom that I assume one should form after watching Elfen Lied. If this happened in real life or if a similar set of events happened, how would you face this world? How would your actions and your beliefs be affected?

Kadaj · Post by **Kadaj** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:34 pm

Lyrs wrote:
Kadaj wrote:I'm not against anything. I'm just relaying the facts of why people generally disprove of inbreeding. I'm not judging, just stating.
Does this mean that you don't support "society's opinion" on incest and inbreeding? I'm curious because this deals prominently with the moral, lesson, and or wisdom that I assume one should form after watching Elfen Lied. If this happened in real life or if a similar set of events happened, how would you face this world? How would your actions and your beliefs be affected?

Ah now this is where the debate gets interesting; the issue of genetic disorders crosses over interestingly with the prospect of euthanasia in many cases.

Typically 'society's opinion' is that children should not be brought into the world if they are bound to be disadvantaged, handicapped, or in any way potentially isolated from society. Of course for many people, myself included, this is a conceited and harsh outlook, that defines that anything outside the normal, in this case below average, does not deserve the chance to live at all.

An interesting concept is postulated in Elfen Lied where a genetic disorder creates a species above and beyond the human race, and it becomes not an issue of whether it is fair to kill a child that would not survive in the world, but it becomes and issue of whether it is fair to kill a child that would otherwise threaten humanity.

As for putting myself in an Elfen Lied situation... well i only half understand your question there. Are you asking whether:

possible spoilers wrote:i would support the killing of diclonious? would i defend the right of one to survive even if it cost the life of me and everything i know? Would i condemn a diclonious for it's differences if i saw one?

Most importantly though, how can anybody put themselves in a position of judgement that could define the life or death of the human race in this way.

PhantomMousy · Post by **PhantomMousy** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:57 am

ok soo, does anyone own the english dub? the thin pack box set with the 3 dvds? did you happen to notice episode 5 isnt listed on volume 1? it goes from episode 4 to episode 6 on volume 2.

do you think that was just a mistake or does that mean something?

Psygnius · Post by **Psygnius** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:39 am

Yeah, it's a print error. I have the thin pack set too, it was the first thing I noticed too. Episode 5 is still on the disc, just not listed on the plastic holder. There's no deeper meaning to it.

Diclonius16 · Post by **Diclonius16** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:00 pm

overall, Elfen Lied was a great anime. I could relate to Lucy very well, I have been through stuff like that. (now if only i had vectors :twisted: )
The ending, I will agree, was abrupt and kind of hurried, leaving to many questions unanswered. But overall I think the meaning of the end was that Lucy's part in Kouta's life was over, thus the music box ended that (awesome) song, and his life went on with her.

Rather sad actually.

PhantomMousy · Post by **PhantomMousy** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:35 pm

aww, i got excited! just a print error...oh well...

the series still rocks! wish it was longerrrrr!

Diclonius16 · Post by **Diclonius16** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:41 pm

I'll have to agree with you. 13 episodes was not near enough for something like Elfen Lied. It was disappointing, but the series itself made up for the lack of episodes.

By the way, what did everyone think of the 14 episode?

I thought it was pretty funny.