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Post by Garylisk » Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:32 am

Beowulf wrote:People. There is a heirarchy.
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Post by Pwolf » Sat Feb 07, 2004 4:21 am

first off, the video itself is AMV oriented... so wouldn't you think it would be at a-m-v.org? second... it's not like it's using only back to the future or only fargo. third, you can't compare it to the other non-anime videos... cuase it shouldn't even be compaired to anime music videos... it's almost like it's in a class of its own. it's more like a doc then a music video. and finaly, it's phades website... he can keep what ever the fuck he wants. thats the joy of owning your own website and servers.



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Post by Flint the Dwarf » Sat Feb 07, 2004 5:57 am

Pwolf wrote:it's more like a doc then a music video.
Then why is it in the contest? Does this mean the AWA and NES docs should be allowed?
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Post by Beowulf » Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:50 am

flint_the_dwarf wrote: Then why is it in the contest? Does this mean the AWA and NES docs should be allowed?
If they were, theyd clean house :?

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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:59 am

OK, OK, lot's of issues to address.


1) The video does contain anime, but as it happens I haven't specified it all. It contains DBZ, FLCL etc etc. "Original Animation" is classed on the database as anime because that's the way Phade wanted it - this fact has already been stated in the Site Announcements forum. The video does not break the site rules as mixed sources are acceptable.

2) Is it a music video? It is part music video part plain parody. The opening is a trailer music video, the rocky sequence is a music video with original footage much like "Failed Experiments" is and so on. The other elements are fan parodies. It's not 100% music video but that's true of many things on the org. I Wish I Was a Lesbian is almost 50% spoken word.

3) The reason it doesn't list all the sources is because I've been kinda busy doing important org type things so I was going to wait until after the VCA to add all the anime in the video.

I hope that answers most of the questions. There's no foul play, no heirarchy - the video isn't like most videos but it is valid on the database. You can argue that it isn't an anime music video if you like but I say that parts of the video can easily be classed as amvs. If you do not agree then simply don't vote for it.

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Post by Pwolf » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:11 am

flint_the_dwarf wrote:
Pwolf wrote:it's more like a doc then a music video.
Then why is it in the contest? Does this mean the AWA and NES docs should be allowed?
i never said it was a doc tho... to me it's in a catagory of it's own... it's neither an amv, or a doc... it's just what it is. plus it's more anime then non-anime. those docs are all "non-anime" and the only things animated are whatever comes up on the camera.
AbsoluteDestiny wrote:If you do not agree then simply don't vote for it.
yea, what he said :\


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Post by Flint the Dwarf » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:25 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:1) The video does contain anime, but as it happens I haven't specified it all. It contains DBZ, FLCL etc etc.
So what it comes down to is... AD is horrible at entering his videos. :P
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Post by Jebadia » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:12 am

flint_the_dwarf wrote:
Pwolf wrote:it's more like a doc then a music video.
Then why is it in the contest? Does this mean the AWA and NES docs should be allowed?
It's more like a twisted episode of Seinfeld.
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Post by Corran » Sat Feb 07, 2004 12:25 pm

Anything 'original' is classified as anime in the database...

i.e. Original Art, drawings, animation...




...so remember in the future for your live action videos to make a self animated bumper and you'll be fine. :roll:

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Post by Corran » Sat Feb 07, 2004 12:35 pm

~_~ btw AD I'm not picking on you, just the system... I actually voted it for the parody category. I just don't think original footage should have any determining factor as to what is non-anime or anime... that's all. :?

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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:25 pm

A video can use the "original animation" entry to bypass the database in exactly the same way as they can by just putting in an anime title that the video doesn't contain. However, that doesn't stop any one of the mods watching that video and getting rid of it.

Of course the system is flawed - but it is flawed because the creators are trusted to not abuse it, not because "Original Animation" is considered to be anime. The database descriptions are just data - if a video abuses the org's storage rules there's always mods and admins there to remove it when someone points it out.

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Post by Pwolf » Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:43 pm

flint_the_dwarf wrote:
AbsoluteDestiny wrote:1) The video does contain anime, but as it happens I haven't specified it all. It contains DBZ, FLCL etc etc.
So what it comes down to is... AD is horrible at entering his videos. :P
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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:41 pm

One thing I would like to point out is that Non-anime in my mind means a video that does not have any "Anime Content". This does not have to mean that all the clips are anine, but rather that the video does no deal with Anime... In this case, Road to Iron Chief is a pardoy about Anime Music Videos so I would consider it to have Anime Content... Same goes for Failed Experiments....

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