Where is our world going?

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Where is our world going?

Post by JudgeHolden » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:17 pm

So, over the past 4 to 5 years there has been a dramatic shift in the AMV world. When I started AnimeMusicVideos.org was the center of the AMV world. However with the invention of BewbTube, we have drifted from the center of the universe and closer to the edge of the universe. Most people I meet say "I saw your video on BewbTube", not "I saw it on the Org". Many times they haven't even heard of the Org, or only heard of it in passing and never really visited the site. Are we now the indie editors of the AMV world, the outsiders? Or are we the old stuffy country club?

How can we change this (if we want to)? Do we need to promote the Org more at cons? Is our version of streaming enough?


Also, where do you really do most of your AMV watching?


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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Megamom » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:40 pm

Good thread, it's true I feel it too... :cry:
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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Qyot27 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:56 pm

I'm going with the country club. I mean, some of us aren't that far away from yelling at those damn kids to stay off our lawn, comparatively speaking, of course.
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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Ileia » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:15 am

I miss Kit's old avatar. I coulda made a joke about a greens fee. :(

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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Chiikaboom » Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:09 am

Well.. i always thought the answer was quite simple. The tube is welcoming to any and every person who wants to upload shet on the net. The org isnt equally as friendly and tend to shun people out. Amvs are in general a lot easier to access on the tube and easier to upload, wheras even though the org now has streaming, it still requires members to know ftp to upload their shet, which not everyone will be willing to learn.

Also i actually watch most amvs on the tube. There are some pretty good vids on there that arent available on the org ya know :<
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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Sephiroth » Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:37 am

The snake ate it's tale to the point where there was no snake left. this hobbie as it was before the tube is gone. It's far from the last death there was the point where people used 2 VCRs that's all gone.

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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Kitsuner » Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:41 am

Sephiroth wrote:The snake ate it's tale to the point where there was no snake left. this hobbie as it was before the tube is gone. It's far from the last death there was the point where people used 2 VCRs that's all gone.
VCR editing was how they made the videos, though, not how they distributed them.
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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Kaream » Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:50 am

JudgeHolden wrote:So, over the past 4 to 5 years there has been a dramatic shift in the AMV world. When I started AnimeMusicVideos.org was the center of the AMV world. However with the invention of BewbTube, we have drifted from the center of the universe and closer to the edge of the universe. Most people I meet say "I saw your video on BewbTube", not "I saw it on the Org". Many times they haven't even heard of the Org, or only heard of it in passing and never really visited the site. Are we now the indie editors of the AMV world, the outsiders? Or are we the old stuffy country club?

How can we change this (if we want to)? Do we need to promote the Org more at cons? Is our version of streaming enough?


Also, where do you really do most of your AMV watching?


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What 0_o

this site is much bigger than it was 0_o
What does jewtube concern with this? Because of them we have MUCH MORE editors in the community and more awareness of "amvs". Im actually happy they came along the way, well maybe for few of you who hate it. But for people like me im happy that yt was they're. If it wasn't for yt i would never start editing in the first place. And most of the people like to hide this and call themselves org'rs. But im not gonna call names.
Anyways Nothing is going wrong with the a.m.v universe |:
Just filled with more editors that jewtubers.
And i myself am a tuber, but a friend of mine introduced me to a.m.v org after the 2nd month i starded editing so im pretty active around here, and i upload videos.

And yes I watch Alot of amvs from Yt but i do watch amvs over here to quite often.
But out of the line here, only reason i hate yt is for removing amvs (removed my best work last week), and for the dbz tards. Thanks to Org though im moving on more to the originality and different varities of style rather than depending on Flash n' Blur. :) Most of this is off topic im guessing but i just wanted to let you on to my mind.
And i do promote org on bewbtube here and theyre
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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Shinnie04 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:58 am

As an editor I originated from bewbtube since I didn't even know of the Org's existence back then in 2007. After some Org people gave me some criticism and feedback on my video on bewbtube, I saw the Org as a place of elitist snobs who were jealous of my awesome spammy effects on my naruto video. I also found the whole uploading process on the Org annoying and tedious at first.

I think bewbtube is a stepping stone to reach the Org. From what I've seen, editors on bewbtube that become more experienced eventually end up here despite their first impressions of this place.

Bewbtube is kind of like a preschool where you start off and well, the Org is pretty much one of the main places you end up at. So really I think bewbtube is actually contributing to this site's growth.
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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Megamom » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:01 am

YT: Mere mortals!

The.org: We're the elite!

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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by kawasakinin » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:51 am

I can't host my vids on ty even if I wanted to; copyright ;lljlajfelw.
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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Kionon » Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:59 am

I've been telling the new kids to get off my lawn for at least four years now.
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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Bauzi » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:41 am

What does jewtube concern with this? Because of them we have MUCH MORE editors in the community and more awareness of "amvs".
... and what was the price for it? Quality gets less and quantity way more. Everybody should do the stuff they like, but at least there could be some improvement you know? Let's just say... the percentage of quality gets less and less.

I don't think it's doing a good thing to the hobby. Imagine all the people who are tired of the huge spam of amvs on the streaming sites. Imagine that: You search for a song or something else and you get flooded with crapy videos.

@TJ:
I like the new country specific amv sides. It's nice to have communities beside the org that are dedicated to amvs and video hosting.



So what could we do?

-Change the image of the org
Well we're a bunch of elitsts and meanies, right?

-Make the site more easier to use and to upload videos

-Make it more accessable:
Give everybody the right to download and stream-watch videos from the site regardless if they're a member or not. If they want to leave comments and stuff than they have to get a member. Maybe some more statistics in your public give more reasons to stay here? Like... Total amount of qucik-comments given and videos downloaded.

I think that's the main issue: You get almost nothing out of the org without membership.

-Advertising
I used to advertise smaller anime/amv sites in my videos. I could easily place an www.animemusicvideos.org hint into the video credits.
New AMV: Don't Leave Me Alone
https://www.animemusicvideos.org/video/202928

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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by Kionon » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:11 am

I don't want to get nicer, I don't want to get more accessible, and I certainly don't want to advertise. I make a point to never include links to the org on anything I post to hosatchel. If anything, with the knowledge that the Org's original mission is impossible, we should be more inward looking.

But it's not as if anyone listens to my ramblings anyhow.
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Re: Where is our world going?

Post by MimS » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:20 am

Discovered AMVing with AMV-France, never used YT : o.
However, I don't really see what is the problem with YT, particularly now knowing we can have an awesome video quality on it with HD option. Try this one for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg5iHzCJyq8
Well, it doesn't change that I don't upload (myself) my videos on YT but it's not the point hehe

Now, my real problem is:
When I take a look to old videos, I feel like they're clearly better than all recent vids...
Is it me or are AMVS becoming less interesting than before?
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