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Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by animedays » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:28 am

OK...how do I start this out? I'm trying really hard to improve little by little, but I think some of the OPs I got on my vid confused me a little more (BTW thanks to everyone who did OP it, it is appreciated!). So while I'm working on my next AMV, and before I get too far in (at about 1.25 minutes now)...thought I might actually get around to asking some general AMV questions.

As far as crits go, I know that it's not unusual to get conflicting opinions. I have watched colorguard competitions where some shows the whole audience loved, and I cringed... or vice versa. I know that AMVs are going to be like finely choregraphed shows, one person will like it, and another won't. I can understand that, but when something is mentioned a few times, you should take a look in your approach, yes?

I think the biggest confusion I have is with SYNC. What makes good sync? Some Ops I got say good sync and mood, others say no sync, and I failed to pull off the mood. Especially when someone says that I'm lacking sync on a vid where I worked really hard on the sync, it was surprising. Now I think half of my problem is that I switch between lyrical sync, musical sync, and beat sync all in the same AMV - it depends on whatever my ear is hearing the most, and what I'm trying to accent. (Again, my background tends to lend me to hear almost everything in the music, and if I had twenty to thirty people to work with, I'd have an organized chaos dance show. lol. Maybe that's why I find a lot of vids on here well sync'd personally) So maybe for someone who can only follow beat sync, if I'm doing a lyrical maybe it will seem off??? So, is it wise to pick only one type and stay with it? For example, someone mentioned the timing when Byakuya's swords for his Bankai come up being off sync (3:12-3:13) in my Moments of Despair vid, and I had synced it to come up on the first symbol crash after a verse (no words) and the word "life" (first word in the next verse), and someone found it off sync which means I'm possibly missing something in how I'm syncing. I know everyone is not going to agree with my sync's, but it was mentioned enough to make me wonder.

So I guess I'm asking: What do you look for in sync? What makes awesome sync. Do you sync to only one type through out, or do you switch? (Obviously if you are doing lyrical, and there are no words at the time, you will switch to beat or musical, but do you switch mid verse?)

I can understand differences in mood, that will happen. But sync is fundamental to an AMV, to have such differences in opinion....????

Am I even making sense? :?: If you don't know what colorguard is, you can check out (yes I'm going to say it) you----tube, under my screen name Animedays22 I have a playlist of winterguard competitions. But basically CG is flag spinning, rifle spinning, saber spinning, other object spinning, dance, choreography, and theatre all in one. lol.
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Re: Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by Kionon » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:34 am

Bring betas to #amv-review. We can give you much more specific information about your video project there.

Winterguard... that must mean you are Corps style guard. I commanded a military color guard for a semester in 2004.
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Re: Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by Taokato » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:52 am

animedays wrote:
I think the biggest confusion I have is with SYNC. What makes good sync? Some Ops I got say good sync and mood, others say no sync...........
Mmmmmh.... do you know the utube freaks which synch all beats with random vegas effects?
AND they think they're kewl when the use them :roll:

But Action Synch means
This is how well the music went with the action of the video.

And if you want some beta testers you can PM other users or that what Kio wrote.
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Re: Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by LuluandAuron » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:55 am

I personally sync to what my ear is hearing as well. Mood, Lyric, Beat.

AMVs and ops are pretty much like figure skating (If you're Canadian, you may get that joke ;D)

So take what ever you can out of the ops and work hard on the areas that you feel are weaker. Take your time, have fun and enjoy.

With Kionons' advice, you'll find editors that will help you to get some constructive criticism.

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Re: Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by Kionon » Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:04 am

LuluandAuron wrote:AMVs and ops are pretty much like figure skating (If you're Canadian, you may get that joke ;D).
While not a Canadian, I have been a figure skater for 13 years, and I don't get this...
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Re: Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by animedays » Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:11 am

Kionon wrote:Bring betas to #amv-review. We can give you much more specific information about your video project there.

Winterguard... that must mean you are Corps style guard. I commanded a military color guard for a semester in 2004.

Corps style, yes, but never that high up. lol. I did it in High School, and in college. Colorguard paid for my fall semester for 4 years! :D I wanted to go to Corps, but it's expensive... I saw the list of fees that people who joined the independant guards paid (drum corps for marching season, and winterguard for winter and spring seasons), and that dream was out the window my freshman year of college. Oh well...but team captain by sophmore year in high school and college, and instructor by junior year in college looks great on resumes :) so I can't complain too much about my missed dream.

Military style guard is a bit different, thank God...I wouldn't want to spin those real rifles. They weigh a ton!!!

BTW, what is #amv-review?
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Re: Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by LuluandAuron » Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:25 am

Kionon wrote:
LuluandAuron wrote:AMVs and ops are pretty much like figure skating (If you're Canadian, you may get that joke ;D).
While not a Canadian, I have been a figure skater for 13 years, and I don't get this...
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Re: Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by Kionon » Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:56 am

animedays wrote:
Kionon wrote: Military style guard is a bit different, thank God...I wouldn't want to spin those real rifles. They weigh a ton!!!
God yes they are. That's because they're usually real, just with firing pins removed. Ours were old WWI era M-4s. We had a special move we performed at the Tulane Drill Meet where we kicked the rifle butts to spin them around into a carry position and I think most of us had trouble walking away from the field after we finished it. >_<
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An IRC channel that is more specifically devoted to actually discussing the nuts and bolts of editing than the more general hang-out that is #amv.
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Re: Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by Kionon » Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:57 am

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Re: Huh? Am I missing something...???

Post by JaddziaDax » Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:13 am

Sync, in my opinion, is a personal thing. While one person says you ignore the beats another says you were spot on, what you need to do is find YOUR sync, learn the differences between the different kinds of sync and find the balance you like..

Here's a few terms for starters:

Internal Sync - when the movement of the characters syncs with the music.

Mood Sync - when the mood of the visuals match the mood of the song, but not necessarily the literal lyrics of the song.

Lyrical Sync -
--Literal - when the images match the literal words of the song.
--Figurative - when the images match the figurative meaning of the words of the song.

Example: "He Swam Across" is your lyric and say you have these two clips:
1. a guy swimming
2. a guy plowing through a crowd to get to a girl

1 would be the literal meaning while 2 can be the figurative meaning.

Lip Sync - when the character's mouth movements match the words of the song.

Cut Sync - when the cuts of the video match the music/beats

What you need to learn is to find the balance of syncs that you enjoy the most, while you might have found what you like now, your tastes may change after time, IMHO the best thing to do is what pleases you right now... Because you aren't going to be able to please everyone you might as well start with pleasing yourself.
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However all that said: it doesn't hurt to get a few beta testers to give you ideas of where to "fix" or change your sync, a second pair of eyes might sometimes help you to see or hear things that you don't actually see or hear when you watch your video, and can also help you with ideas you might not have thought of.

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