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We need a leader

Post by Beowulf » Sun May 14, 2006 8:15 pm

We haven't had a definitive video since Euphoria, and before that, Shameless Rock Video. These are the kinds of things that can appeal to everyone by setting the bar higher and innovating new and creative ways of doing things most of us take for granted.

The Top 10 is trash. People have always said that Top 10 sucks (mostly based on teenage anti establishment sentiment I imagine), but its truely goten ridiculous in the last 2 years. Naruto's World? Shounen Bushidou? Naruto's Technique Beat? These are not the kind of groundbreaking videos we had a couple years ago.

I think now that this community has pretty much caught up with technology, people's ideas are their limiting force as apposed to their software. It definitely seems that way since we all see the same After Effects glow plugins, the same still image masking, the same piano keys, the same effects, the same everything.

We need people more focused on expressing unique ideas, and less people focused on making "correct videos".

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Post by You choose Sam,the rest » Sun May 14, 2006 8:22 pm

Beowulf wrote:
We need people more focused on expressing unique ideas, and less people focused on making "correct videos".

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Indeed :up:

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Post by Brad » Sun May 14, 2006 8:27 pm

I nominate DEAD TO THE WORLD THE STORY OF THE ANTICHRIST FTW
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Post by DJ_Izumi » Sun May 14, 2006 8:30 pm

What about The Race? :(
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Post by Kalium » Sun May 14, 2006 8:30 pm

Here's a proposal: stop lamenting the percieved lack of creativity, and remedy said percieved lack yourself.

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Post by Lyrs » Sun May 14, 2006 8:39 pm

OMFG, so pwnt by the KaLiUm!


The current trend is a sign of the times. More ppl are getting into the amv scenes than before. What you have now is a majority of the viewer base whose interest correlates with the anime of their choice, which happens to be Naruto at this time.

As Kal said, you could lead the pack with an awesome video, or you could turn people's interest towards an anime you favor.
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Post by jasper-isis » Sun May 14, 2006 8:41 pm

"Unique ideas" exist. "Unique ideas" that make it to the Top 10% and make people go "OMG THAT WAS AWEOMSEEE!!!!!" are rare. Experiment too far, and you lose the popular appeal that votes you up to "leader" status.

So the root of the problem - if you want to think of it as a problem - lies with the audience, not with the editors.

Oh well?
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Post by Beowulf » Sun May 14, 2006 8:48 pm

Lyrs wrote:As Kal said, you could lead the pack with an awesome video,
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=87947

I didn't wan't this thread to turn into a thread about me, but its a better direction than the one it was taking.

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Post by Otohiko » Sun May 14, 2006 8:52 pm

Leaders are bad. Leaders encourage imitation, and imitation is the death of creativity.

I'd rather have no leaders. Heck, in all these years of AMVing - even if I did take a cue from anyone, it was usually from more obscure and (to me) more interesting editors.

There is a wonderful word "popsa" in Russian (derogative noun meaning "pop"), and "popsa" will always be at the top, because we live in a "popsa-driven" society. And with AMVs becoming way easier to produce (anyone can do it nowadays), the "popsa" content grows exponentially.

On the other hand, often just beneath that, you have a lot of creativity.

As much as I like to raise my anti-"popsa" banners and rattle my imaginary sabre, it's probably here to stay. Fortunately, it's also easier than ever nowadays to find good stuff.

So, chill man. Noone's taking your cake or your antichrist or your inherent right to kick ass :roll:
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Post by Beowulf » Sun May 14, 2006 8:59 pm

Otohiko wrote:Leaders are bad. Leaders encourage imitation, and imitation is the death of creativity.

I'd rather have no leaders. Heck, in all these years of AMVing - even if I did take a cue from anyone, it was usually from more obscure and (to me) more interesting editors.
Your completely right, but I didn't really mean "leader" in that specific of terms. I mean we need a video that is so head an shoulders above everything else that it breaks a barrier everyone thought was there. Even if its imitated (and it will be), it will make everyone say "oh shit, we had better kick it up a notch". Thats all I want to happen. We haven't "kicked it up a notch" in quite some time and when we have its been very short lived and in the wrong direction.

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Post by Kai Stromler » Sun May 14, 2006 9:16 pm

Beowulf wrote:I mean we need a video that is so head an shoulders above everything else that it breaks a barrier everyone thought was there. Even if its imitated (and it will be), it will make everyone say "oh shit, we had better kick it up a notch". Thats all I want to happen. We haven't "kicked it up a notch" in quite some time and when we have its been very short lived and in the wrong direction.
At the risk of sounding like a 19th century patent inspector, I'm not sure that there's barriers left to break through -- or at least not within the scope of the site. If there are, what are they? What has not been done yet, and is worth doing? And, generally, if you can answer these questions, where is your video breaking these barriers? At this point, the technology is there to do basically anything you want to; technical barriers, given enough time and creativity, no longer exist.

I'll be glad if people laugh at me over this in five years, but I believe that the real reason that AMVs have not gone up another level lately is that we are running into the inherent limitations of "remix art". Our power to add stuff beyond what is in the original sources is very limited, as at a certain point it stops being an AMV and starts being original video-art. At that point, wherever it is, it falls outside the scope of this site and over onto newgrounds or deviantart or wherever the fuck those things go.

There will be videos that push the limitations of using other people's mostly-moving images and mostly other people's music in the future, but I do feel that the wall is very close, and the people who have the most incentive to push it will be working with exclusively their own materials, especially video, outside the current defines of this form.

If anyone out there disagrees, go ahead, make the video Beo wants, break that worthwhile barrier, and make me look dumb. :P :P

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Post by Moonlight Soldier » Sun May 14, 2006 9:17 pm

You seem to imply that people should actually care about creating something groundbreaking.

People challenge themselves in different ways. What might seem mediocre to you, is groundbreaking for them. It's a hobby. Most people want to have fun not set the bar.

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Post by Castor Troy » Sun May 14, 2006 9:35 pm

AtomX wrote:I nominate DEAD TO THE WORLD THE STORY OF THE ANTICHRIST FTW
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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Sun May 14, 2006 10:05 pm

It sounds like to me you're looking for a mass apeal to all the fans out there video.. IN all honsety I don't thing that's somethign that's needed nor in ours to control.

Frankly I feel that it's not a requirement to start getting desperate and trying to fit videos onto sone sort of popularity/"leadership" roll.. Frankly, the very good videos tend to come from creators who would never believe thier video would become so popular. It not something you manufacture, it just happens...

Frankly, let creators just go about thier hooby to create videos and let natural progrss take it course...

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Post by MCWagner » Sun May 14, 2006 10:10 pm

It seems less like a leader (or an ideal video, etc.) is needed, than a better sense of community. With the violent expansion of the community over the last five years or so, everything seems to have gotten too big and diffuse. I talk to the old-timers at conventions who have drifted out, and almost universally they say "oh, I haven't been back to the org in months... I just don't have the time anymore."

The hobby is so damn big, it seems like casual involvement isn't an option any more... and I think that's where the best inspiration comes from.
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