New kind of contest/ranking opportunity

General discussion of Anime Music Videos
Locked
User avatar
DriftRoot
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:18 pm
Status: As important as any plug-in.
Location: N.H.
Org Profile

New kind of contest/ranking opportunity

Post by DriftRoot » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:13 pm

I'm only throwing this it right now, right here, because the VCA's are going on and people are probably in a reflective mood about the AMV's they've watched.

As more and more AMVs are added to a-m-v.org's database, sifting through the thousands and thousands of submissions becomes more difficult. Searching for a good Beck AMV or, god forbid, a good Advent Children AMV is almost a needle-in-the-haystack endeavor.
Yes, you can look at star ratings and such, but the search is still rather touch and go and ratings don't tell the whole story. Quality, little-viewed videos, particularly of older anime series, are easily overlooked by new AMV enthusiasts who really have no clue what they're missing. I personally would watch far more AMVs from a much wider range of anime if I was presented with a convenient, reliable way of tracking them down.

That said, I wonder if there is an interest in a new VCA category - the "best of the best" AMVs for each and all series/OAV/movies, etc. used: the best Naruto video, the best FLCL video, the best Hellsing video, etc. Yes, there would probably need to be a multi-series category (or several), but I think this kind of contest/ranking is workable. Toss in multi-editor projects, for good measure.
This kind of award opens the door to recognition for many AMVs that are not currently in the spotlight, but still should be applauded for a very specific achievement - the best use of a particular series/OAV/movie etc.
Perhaps after the initial bout of determing "the best ever," in each subsequent year voting could proceed much like it does for other VCA categories, with nominees narrowed down to a final few - the winners in each category would then be evaluated against the standing best and named "best ever" accordingly. First, second and third "best ever" undermines the whole "best of" concept, and looking up previous years' nominees would easily provide all the runners up.

I realize that there are a few serious problems with evaluating all the AMVs out there, particularly the first "best of" round. Should a two-star AMV to some obscure series be named "best of" for lack of decent competition? Can the various types of AMVs (comedy, drama, action, etc.) really be fairly judged against one another? On whose head does the responsibility for gathering the hundreds of series/OAV/movies used lie, if someone out there has to whittle down the field to get the ball rolling? I've got possible solutions to these issues, but I'm sure other people do as well, so I won't go any further right now because those of you out there who hate reading long posts like this one are already pretty annoyed - if indeed you made it this far. *inserts smiley to grab the attention of the easily-distracted* ;)

Again, just throwing this out because everyone should be in the "his/her AMV is better this his/her's" mood right now; just offering a fresh view of how all the AMVs out there can be handled as their number grows year after year and the old rating systems become less and less capable of providing AMV watchers with a large pool of quality videos.
Image

User avatar
Scintilla
(for EXTREME)
Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:47 pm
Status: Quo
Location: New Jersey
Contact:
Org Profile

Post by Scintilla » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:24 pm

<b>REASON REJECTED:</b> Categories should not be based on anime series/characters.
ImageImage
:pizza: :pizza: Image :pizza: :pizza:

User avatar
DriftRoot
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:18 pm
Status: As important as any plug-in.
Location: N.H.
Org Profile

Post by DriftRoot » Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:46 pm

Wow, you know, Scintilla, you're completely right, it should NOT be done! I'm so glad you clarified everything for me! Now I am at peace; I can stand behind my newfound conviction with confidence because I comprehend very clearly why it is I think this way: one, you told me to, and two, that's the way it's always been. This is very comforting.

*removes hefty dose of sarcasm*

Jeez. Where's the explanation for that "should not" statement?
I provided my reasons for "should" pretty clearly, offering ample opportunity for others to consider these reasons and respond in kind. I'm an open-minded person, but it's hard to make me "see the light" if I'm not given anything to work with beyond the equivalent of "Shut up, your idea is absolutely unaccaptable because it should not be done. Discussion closed."

I am not proposing date rape, you know, just different way to discover quality AMVs.

User avatar
Malificus
Dr. Malpractice
Joined: Sat Aug 03, 2002 2:55 pm
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Contact:
Org Profile

Post by Malificus » Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:53 pm

So if I made an AMV to an anime no one else has, would that get me an instant win? How about we go by bands next? I could go find an obscure band and make an AMV to it! How about songs?


Face it. there's already an AMV Recommendations Forum, and that serves this purpose. A best "x anime" category in the VCAs would make be fairly pointless, and might not be related at all to how good the AMV is, but how few choices there are. If you make a Naruto category, it discriminates against people who can't get Naruto/ Don't use Naruto, and same for any other anime.

User avatar
DriftRoot
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:18 pm
Status: As important as any plug-in.
Location: N.H.
Org Profile

Post by DriftRoot » Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:33 pm

Malificus wrote:So if I made an AMV to an anime no one else has, would that get me an instant win? How about we go by bands next? I could go find an obscure band and make an AMV to it! How about songs?
Please refer to my statement regarding a two-star AMV, where I first brought up the situation you're referring to and wondered how it could be resolved. Maybe AMVs with less than a certain rating (be it star rating or quantitative rating) should be ineligible for "best of" recognition? I don't know, this is a problem, as I already said, but maybe not an insurmountable one.
Malificus wrote:Face it. there's already an AMV Recommendations Forum, and that serves this purpose. A best "x anime" category in the VCAs would make be fairly pointless, and might not be related at all to how good the AMV is, but how few choices there are.
I see the recommendations, thanks. It is a good resource, but why should the "best of the best" AMVs put forth in that forum never receive official recognition, while many other AMVs are honored every year for being the best of a particular category? What if that forum a decent reflection of the top 10% scale? If so, then I guess either the forum or the 10% scale is redundant while they coexist.
Malificus wrote:If you make a Naruto category, it discriminates against people who can't get Naruto/ Don't use Naruto, and same for any other anime.
There already are categories that exclude or, to use your words, "discriminate against," certain AMVs, knocking them out of competition for certain awards e.g. "action," "horror," "first video," etc. Should we be voting in these categories at all, then, since the action one "discriminates" against people who can't get action anime [Naruto]/don't use action anime [Naruto]? No, we're giving recognition to AMVs that attain a specific accomplishment - being the best action AMV, the best horror AMV, the best first video etc. of a given year. Giving recognition to AMVs in another kind of specific way - for the anime they use - is just just that, another kind of specific way.

User avatar
badmartialarts
Bad Martial Artist
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2003 5:31 am
Location: In ur Kitchen Stadium, eatin ur peppurz
Org Profile

Post by badmartialarts » Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:42 pm

Here's yet another problem. Who is doing the judging? If you are expecting the populace to do it then, well, you need to understand that people are lazy and will likely end up voting for creators they like just on the basis of the creator's name over the video. Heck, if I had to download and watch all the Naruto videos, even the ones over some median star-scale/opinion score, I'd eventually give up and either pick some with interesting titles (honestly, this is how I did about half of my first-round VCA voting) or pick only the ones from creators I'm familiar with and who I trust put out a sound product, thus returning it to ye olde popularity contest which I sense you are trying to shy away from.
Life's short.
eBayhard.

User avatar
Malificus
Dr. Malpractice
Joined: Sat Aug 03, 2002 2:55 pm
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Contact:
Org Profile

Post by Malificus » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:10 pm

DriftRoot wrote:Please refer to my statement regarding a two-star AMV, where I first brought up the situation you're referring to and wondered how it could be resolved. Maybe AMVs with less than a certain rating (be it star rating or quantitative rating) should be ineligible for "best of" recognition? I don't know, this is a problem, as I already said, but maybe not an insurmountable one.
But what if the vid has a good rating, but it isn't VCA worthy? Sure, the AMV might not be bad, but if it just isn't exceptional like a VCA winner should be, then it doesn't deserve it. An AMV should be judge not by what anime was avaliable to the editor, but by what the editor can do.

I could probably make a Hello Kitty action AMV if I had more footage (as it is now, I could probably make a 30-scond one, but I have no suitable 30 second songs), or an AMV using action-y shows without throwing a sigle punch in the AMV. The editing and editing style should be the focus, not what anime they used, or how they merely did better than all the people who used X anime wining a prize for themselves, but did worse than 50 people who used Y anime and never got anything for it.

codehappykid
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2003 2:25 pm
Org Profile

Post by codehappykid » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:10 pm

Well, let me just come out of the woodwork for long enough to say something...

I don't know about you guys but when I see a video that is unquestionably poorly done, especially if I had a similar idea to that of the video, and I find the time, I usually like to "do it better." I'm assuming that at least a certain percentage of org users are that way. Now, if that's true, I could foresee the poor quality video getting best of breed marks as self-correcting, especially if the video categories were well-publicized.

I'm not saying whether or not I think the org should support that, because I don't have that authority, but it might be worth doing somewhere else, with linkback to a-m-v.org hosted and otherwise hosted vids. Say perhaps on a website developed by the positor of this concept?

trythil
is
Joined: Tue Jul 23, 2002 5:54 am
Status: N͋̀͒̆ͣ͋ͤ̍ͮ͌ͭ̔̊͒ͧ̿
Location: N????????????????
Org Profile

Post by trythil » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:19 pm

DriftRoot wrote: Jeez. Where's the explanation for that "should not" statement?
Same rationale the U.S. government used to extend copyright law: we've done it before, we should be allowed to do it again.

Just substitute "we" and "we've" with appropriate forms of ".org administration". They have made it very clear, year and year, that VCA categories will have nothing to do with specific anime series or characters. Their decision.

User avatar
Corran
Joined: Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:40 pm
Contact:
Org Profile

Post by Corran » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:21 pm

DriftRoot wrote:Wow, you know, Scintilla, you're completely right, it should NOT be done! I'm so glad you clarified everything for me! Now I am at peace; I can stand behind my newfound conviction with confidence because I comprehend very clearly why it is I think this way: one, you told me to, and two, that's the way it's always been. This is very comforting.

*removes hefty dose of sarcasm*

Jeez. Where's the explanation for that "should not" statement?
I provided my reasons for "should" pretty clearly, offering ample opportunity for others to consider these reasons and respond in kind. I'm an open-minded person, but it's hard to make me "see the light" if I'm not given anything to work with beyond the equivalent of "Shut up, your idea is absolutely unaccaptable because it should not be done. Discussion closed."

I am not proposing date rape, you know, just different way to discover quality AMVs.
Scintilla simply copied and pasted a reply to a previously suggested category that aimed to do similar to what you want to do. You can try to suggest it for when next year's VCA comes around but you are very likely receive the exact same response from Phade. You can always run such a contest yourself though...

Locked

Return to “General AMV”