Original: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=60255
Follow-Up: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=60314
Plan B: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=60487
And yes, this post is Different from those others)
Well this is really quite simple, the "incidents" that we have witnessed have put pressure on us as fans. Think of all the poor evanescence fans or anime fans using seether songs in their videos. These fans are slowly getting pushed out, it seems a little extreme but if it were your favourite artist/anime you may think differently.
Following (if you can be bothered reading it *its long*) is actually a "Light" theory into how AMV fans (and other fans) are losing the one-sided-war against large copyrighted companies:
Ok, this is my first forum post here on the org and i usually don't do forums however this is too much of a problem to avoid. Whether you try to put it into perspective and say "its only 3 artists" the org won't fall. "we'll just go to hosting via indirect", "we'll go back to using p2p"
(Remember kazaa also claimed they did nothing illegal and it was other users that shared files using their network, not them. well that is ultimately what it would end up like. and kazaa is now shutting down their free networks, becoz they lost)
In my opinion, and it is based on some fact the world of sharing and fan-work has been stabbed and is bleeding to death slowly.
P2p's, torrent sites and other sharing and hosting websites have been shut down (most notably over the past 5 years) - we all remember napster. and we all remember kazaa. (though kazaa is not completely gone it is mostly uselss, full of spam and now you have to pay for *some* versions of it)
These sites have been shutdown (some through long legal battles) and others overnight with no warning at all. Winmx (for example) - once a mighty share-group this was shutdown without even staff who maintined the networks knowing. And winmx started out as a chat server (i do believe) - Now i'm not saying a-m-v.org is going to get shutdown without us knowing, a lot of people have a put a lot of money into this website. And phade and other member's will not give up without a fight.
I think the best shot at protecting this website is to have someone (with knowledge of the law and copyright/trademarks laws - like the back of their hand) - Remember when sony tried to sue modchippers for modding customers ps2s. Well modchippers won that case. They won becoz once you purchase something you have the legal right to do *Whatever* you want with it. I believe that if someone with specific law knowledge was able to come up with a law-agreement. That insisted if the Source footage and Musical Clip was 100% legal and paid for. Then the site may stand a chance. If the user who uploaded a *illegal* video was found guilty, he/she should sadly suffer the consequences.
Fan-work is a dying art and it needs to be saved. Without the org i would not have even heard of half the anime series' i have now paid for legally and certainly most of my music. This is a sharing website too, which makes it dangerous too. And its almost entirely hosted in ONE place which makes it 100% easier for the website to be shutdown or targetted.
This may be a trend, and if you think no evanescence, creed or seether videos online here is a minor thing. Look at how many evanescence videos there were online it was like THE most popular artist and rivalled linkin park! Thats a huge slice...! Also as this record company is unlikely to tell other record companies. how long is it until the next record company slips up and tells "EMI" or "SONY" - then about 500 artists get knocked out. You see this is sadly probably going to be a downhill trend and an agreement needs to be properly sorted out and both parties need to make a sacrifice. We made need to agree to a new set of rules when we upload a video. We may need to follow a link and ask permission to upload a video from a specific anime or music company, wait a few days and then have it hosted.
Either way people on this org would much rather blame the org then risk themselves up in court for copyright infringements. If it comes to a time when amvers are pulled up and asked whether the video he/she just downloaded is legal, he/she will not say it is theirs and take responsibility. They will blame the place they got it from *here*
This website is in an incredibly dangerous position. Stuck between 3 giant companies that all dislike piracy to the max.
-Audio (Sick of p2p)
-Anime (sick of bootlegs and fansubs)
-Software (sick of crackers and serial keys that steal their stuff)
All of these can be on one site:
**Not actually on this site, but people using this site may use this kind of thing to CREATE videos, POSTED on this site. Do not take comments so literal**
E.G: Lets say a young girl burns evanescence's album and decides to make a lovely music video to "Bring Me To Life"
She decides to use the footage: Full Metal Panic
However, she can't afford $110 (AUD) for the entire series. She only has $50 - so she buys a bootleg and encodes it (or she downloads a fansub from p2p or torrents). She is going to use WMM but she decides she wants to make it more spectacular. She heads to a p2p or torrent website and downloads Adobe Premier. Then finds a serial for it on a serial website. She's in. Her video is finished and she uploads it onto the org, everyone loves/hates it.
There is a massive problem here. If just ONE step of this is illegal anyone could be in trouble. And unfortunately could put blame to this website. Maybe this young girl can't find the song anywhere so she encodes it off a AMV? maybe she can't find the source herself so she uses AMVs to a series as her source?
Entire fan-work is what is at risk. It may seem far away now, and it probably is. But it's going to decrease. If they keep shutting it down a little bit at a time, there's not enough people to care. So they don't just ban all at once (otherwise there would be too much opposition and they run the risk of being overruled) - They'll keep shutting smaller things down bit-by-bit. Are any of us going to care if OCRemix gets shut down?
Maybe not, maybe some of us will, but this website certainly isn't going to unite with ALL fan websites to defend them, Why? Because OCremix wouldn't do it for us.
i can think of 3 things that can save fan-work
1. Banding together of all fans (XTREMELY UNLIKELY)
2. Agreements signed with music/anime/software companies (most-likely)
3. We all jump on a spaceship and run away to jupiter and fan-it-up forever.
Petitions are too small also, and writing complaints will not help. You're better off trying to start an entire fan-ring (similiar to that big fan-site hosting page - which has a small fan-site for just about anything) Except all fans must sign what is a "LARGE-SCALE" petition. global and with serious online protests. But without giving us a bad name. One site is nowhere near enough, you're looking at needing far over millions of people to oppose it. In fact as i type this it seems more and more unlikely this battle can be one. Maybe we should all just roll-in-the-moment while we can.
But your best hope is a LOT of people uniting. It will be a sad day when fan-work dies. or dies to a point where it is not appreciated enough.
Think of it this way.
~If these 3 artists' videos were shutdown purely becoz if they didn't excercise their copyright enforcement they may lose them.
~Then why did we as fan users just except this as a small loss? If we let little things things like that get past without anyone doing anything really MAJOR about it. We need to excercise our enforcement that fan-work will not be beaten. Yet we give-in with a simple "its not all bad" "this is minor" "they could've done worse" - no offence intended at all Phade, i am aware you sed some of those things - there was nothing you could do and MOST-Certainly at the time it was the best option to just shutdown all videos regarding the artist requests. i know what you were trying to say when you state that we should not petition or flame record companies for this act. I think all of us need to come together and plan some way of getting our "3 artists" back.
*Hands In* "All For One, One For All!"
~Sorry for any errors or problems etc.
Not Serios:
Oh and about the 3 artists we only want evanescence and seether back.
(not creed, creed are boring, lol - just to shed some light on a dark matter.) - please don't reply to that comment, just laugh or cringe, it was a joke. "Wrwrwrwrrwrwithhh Arrrrrrrmrmrmrs Wrwrwrwrwrwidddeee Ororororororopennnnnn" - lol. ok enough laughs.
serious face.Aahhhhh... i fear i may have chose a bad time to begin creating AMV's...
