My Opinion on What AMVs Truly Are.

[Sephzilla]

we find out who the guy was who was a stupid noob and got the Record Industry looking at The Org so we can all flame him and make him cry like a little child.

And I would like to know precisely HOW making an AMV is considered a copyright violation?

Technically speaking, with an AMV we arent directly distributing music to people in a direct mp3 format like you would see on pre-sellout Napster or Kazaa, if the person who downloads a music video wants to get the music specifically from it they would have to do it by their own recording means which is absolutely out of an AMV creators power, therefore not their fault.

You could classify an AMV as a 'work of art'. I know the common response will be "well the video/audio source" used in here isnt yours. Yeah well when an artist creates a painting, the company that made the paint or canvas doesnt ask the artist to not distribute that painting do they?

I know there was a thread long ago about the legality of AMVs, and quite frankly I think that opinion is wrong on this premise... Anime Conventions have been going on for a long time and have featured AMV contests for a long time, I dont think conventions as large as Otocon or ACen could go unnoticed with the AMV shows they put on.

[dokool]

Finally, somebody who can make genestarwinds' posts look intelligent by comparison.

[Sephzilla]

backhanded compliment, but coming from a guy named "dokool" who spells the word "cool" in the way of the Mortal Kombat universe doesnt herald much credit from me.

I site my case based off of an old lawsuit that was put on the Sony corporation because they had the option to "record" onto VHS tapes. Sony won the case citing that basically the recording option wasnt intended for black market distribution.

And I think many intelligent people would also mention this to anyone trying to stop the AMV community, how can they complain about AMVs when you can get any song you want from simply turning on your car radio?

[Rozard]

Finally, somebody who can make genestarwinds' posts look intelligent by comparison.

[Sephzilla]

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And since the AMV community tries to push their artwork as a whole rather than using it as an under the table way to distribute music, that Sony case would make a viable defense, the reason it didnt win for Napster was because Napster had a direct way to stop the MP3 distribution, which a-m-v.org does not have for instance.

[dokool]

I site my case based off of an old lawsuit that was put on the Sony corporation because they had the option to "record" onto VHS tapes. Sony won the case citing that basically the recording option wasnt intended for black market distribution.

And I think many intelligent people would also mention this to anyone trying to stop the AMV community, how can they complain about AMVs when you can get any song you want from simply turning on your car radio?

And since the AMV community tries to push their artwork as a whole rather than using it as an under the table way to distribute music, that Sony case would make a viable defense, the reason it didnt win for Napster was because Napster had a direct way to stop the MP3 distribution, which a-m-v.org does not have for instance.

Congratulations on making some of the worst arguments I've ever heard, and that's from someone woke up early to watch the 2004 Presidential Debates.

The VHS lawsuit doesn't apply - we are distributing video and audio that we do <b>not</b>, I repeat, do <b>not</b> have the rights to. Get that through your thick skull and let it roll around a bit. That is the beginning and the end of the argument. As many people smarter than you mentioned in the (now locked) site announcement thread, regardless of how right or wrong the law is, it is the <i>law</i> and we are <i>breaking</i> it.

[Rozard]

And I think many intelligent people would also mention this to anyone trying to stop the AMV community, how can they complain about AMVs when you can get any song you want from simply turning on your car radio?

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You're fucking with me, right?

Are you fucking serious? Do you even know how commercial mediums work? Radio stations purchase licenses to music in order to play it over public airwaves (Yes, children, radio is in the public domain! So is network television! Yay! Fun fact!). By playing the music, the artists gain exposure, and people will purchase their music. Radio stations make their money by selling advertising at costs propotionate to the popularity of said radio station and dependant on what time slots garner the most listeners.


Please tell me that you're just trying to get a rise out of people.

[Sephzilla]

the VHS case heralds the same premesis as this some ignorant people.

If AMVs and so forth are so illegal, then how come Anime Cons havent been completely shut down at all? They feature cosplay, AMV competitions, artwork distribution, selling of merchandise, and so forth.

[Sephzilla]

(getting a rise out of people is somewhat the objective of this thread, i enjoy a little debate now and then )

[dokool]

the VHS case heralds the same premesis as this some ignorant people.

If AMVs and so forth are so illegal, then how come Anime Cons havent been completely shut down at all? They feature cosplay, AMV competitions, artwork distribution, selling of merchandise, and so forth.

Now you're just grasping at straws. You haven't explained *why* the VHS case applies to us. Napster doesn't apply either, for that matter. If I download an AMV and minimize the window, I may not be able to see the video but I'll still hear the music.

Your question about conventions and licensing rights was answered in the other thread - most hotels/convention centers have a blanket license and conventions have to pay in order to take advantage of that. As far as cosplaying and selling of merchandise, that has no bearing on the situation and you know it.

Stop being irrational and lay down the crack pipe, nothing you've said will be of any help to the situation and all you're doing is fanning the flames.