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Good Idea; Bad Idea

Post by megaman917 » Sat Mar 05, 2005 6:48 pm

I want to know, when it comes to making AMVs, what do you think is a good idea or a bad idea?

Good Idea: Using songs that haven't been used here at the .org
Bad Idea: Making more AMVs to Linkin Park's "In The End" and Evanescence's "Bring Me To Life" (This site has hundreds of them)
Good Idea: Doing something that hasn't been done.
Bad Idea: Making more DBZ AMVs (Not to dis DBZ, but this site has over 7,500 and counting)

(This is just my opinion.)
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Post by Undertow » Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:05 pm

Look up my videos, i'm sure you will find plenty of unique stuff there, including some bands of which i am the only one here that uses them

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Post by Warheart » Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:16 pm

Undertow wrote:Look up my videos, i'm sure you will find plenty of unique stuff there, including some bands of which i am the only one here that uses them
Same here 8-).

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Post by Pwolf » Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:40 pm

good idea: makes amvs you want to make...
bad idea: not making a video because someone says LBZ sucks or a song/anime has been used too much :|


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Post by SarahtheBoring » Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:39 pm

It would be nice if originality or quality were as easy as picking the "right" anime or song, but unfortunately, it's not quite that easy. Though having an unusual song or anime may help, it's not automatically original or good.

Essentially - you have to try harder than that, and everything depends on the final product. Some AMVs can make an overused song/anime seem to work. Some are boring even with songs that no one's ever heard of and anime that hardly get used. It's more complicated than that.

So basically I'd have to agree with Pwolf. You can't boil it all down to "do this, don't do that." Know what's used often, just because it's good to know, but also know that going against that doesn't automatically make everything great, or original.

There aren't any Unbreakable Rules in AMV making. There are Rules It's Difficult to Break Well, but nothing is as simple as that.

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Post by x_rex30 » Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:55 pm

Pwolf wrote:good idea: makes amvs you want to make...
bad idea: not making a video because someone says LBZ sucks or a song/anime has been used too much :|


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Post by OmniStrata » Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:41 pm

Can't win the argument in that case... There isn't any...

Just cause there's 10 x infinity amv/linkin' bark vids doesn't mean there's too many. We'll leave that to the server owners to decide when it's filled with like 95% Linkin' Bark Z and then 5% of "other".

People can just make their own vids. The thing that people should be careful about is nasty biting remarks made by everyone [including myself...]

If you're going to make a vid you want others to see and enjoy, then by all means, make it and slap it on here! Even if it's overused, and then you get lambasted with lots of hateful remarks like, "Been there done that." or "another one, try something else..." etc.

I just hope people make vids for the right reasons. [namely their own.] If you're making vids to wow the masses, then you should do that. If you're making vids cause "you can". Then well, expect to be BURIED by the other vid makers here.

I for one make vids for the selfish intention that I want to be revered as someone with skill and can move the hearts of people so that they all want to jump up and be happy!!! [hence the majority of high fx upbeat dance vids from me... :D ]

Good idea: making vids you want
Bad idea: making vids you want and then regretting that everyone else hates them...

Do what you want, be the good idea ^^
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Post by megaman917 » Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:17 am

Pwolf wrote:good idea: makes amvs you want to make...
bad idea: not making a video because someone says LBZ sucks or a song/anime has been used too much :|


Pwolf
I agree with what you're saying, but I never said DBZ sucked, and nothing I say here should discourage anyone from making AMVs that they want to make. Nothing that is said here should offend or discourage anyone from making AMVs of their choosing. When I started this thread, my intention was for creators, based on how they make their own AMVs, to share what they think is a good idea or a bad idea. Also I wanted creators to share, with other creators, and for AMVs in general, what they think is a good idea or bad idea. I was hoping that all posts here will based on personal opinions. No one should take offense or be discouraged from doing what they want to do.
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Post by x_rex30 » Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:58 am

megaman917 wrote:I never said DBZ sucked
He didn't say you did.
I was hoping that all posts here will based on personal opinions.
They are

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Post by istiv » Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:03 am

Pwolf wrote:good idea: makes amvs you want to make...

Pwolf
yeah Mr. PWolf !

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Music Videos is an enterntainment so make it easier for you, do things you like to do ;), and have fun.
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Post by Arigatomina » Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:43 am

OmniStrata wrote:If you're making vids cause "you can". Then well, expect to be BURIED by the other vid makers here.
I wouldn't go that far. I've been making vids because I can for almost 2 years, and I don't feel buried, or even stifled. If anything, I feel encouraged. ^_^

The questions of good/bad ideas:

1: Using songs that haven't been used here at the .org

Dangerous idea, possibly successful.
If no one's used it, there probably aren't many (or any) people who like it. Use it and you'll get that originality mark, but that doesn't mean you'll get many (or any) viewers. On the other hand, if you stumble onto the next popular song first, you may find yourself at the head of a wave of tomorrow's "Most used song" - which is a good thing for at least a year (till it's considered overused and people score you low because those after you had the same idea).

2. [Instead of] Making more AMVs to Linkin Park's "In The End" and Evanescence's "Bring Me To Life" (This site has hundreds of them), Doing something that hasn't been done.

Safe idea, no public drawbacks.
You may suffer from giving up ideas that would have pleased you personally, and pleased fans of the 'overused' genre. You may be eliminating an idea that would have produced a great video - a rare thing since there are few great vids to be found amid the 'overused' collections. But you won't get any flames, or any over-anxious fanboy attacks. It's safe on a public level - no risk, no loss.

3. [Not] Making more DBZ AMVs (Not to dis DBZ, but this site has over 7,500 and counting

Same as #2. Safe idea, but with more loss and less gain.
Naruto, Evangelion, Rurouni Kenshin, Sailormoon, YYH, Gundam Wing, Cowboy Bebop, to name a few - you won't be able to use any of these "overused anime." If you outlaw anime that have a number of vids (7,500 in this case) on the org, then you're severely limiting yourself. You can turn to rare anime and remain safe and original, but who's going to watch a video to 'I'll CKBC'? Sure, no one's done it before, but so what? Make one, originality to the max, and no viewers. There's a reason some anime have fewer vids - because fewer people know/like those anime. You can make a nitch using under-used anime, and you'll be safe, but if you want viewers, you'll be lonely. There are a lot of dbz vids because a lot of people know and like dbz. If you're invested in making people happy, you want to give them what they like. Try it and you'll see. If you're not a superb editor, you can use a "never before used" anime and you won't get nearly the praise you would if you used Naruto (which is fast catching up to dbz's stats on the org).

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Post by Dark-Krystal » Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:52 am

istiv wrote:
Pwolf wrote:good idea: makes amvs you want to make...

Pwolf
yeah Mr. PWolf !

x3

Music Videos is an enterntainment so make it easier for you, do things you like to do ;), and have fun.
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Post by x_rex30 » Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:58 am

Arigatomina wrote:
OmniStrata wrote:If you're making vids cause "you can". Then well, expect to be BURIED by the other vid makers here.
I wouldn't go that far. I've been making vids because I can for almost 2 years, and I don't feel buried, or even stifled. If anything, I feel encouraged. ^_^
I agree! Just because they do it because they can, doesn't really mean there vids are going to turn out bad or anything.

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Post by Dark_Sith » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:21 pm

I think it's a bunch of BS, when people tell you that the person needs suggestion's for a song to a DBZ video they want to make, and then people tell them, DON"T MAKE IT!!! THIS SITE HAS TOO MANY OF THEM!!! I think it get's annoying and people should just shut the hell up, and let people make what they want to make. I made my own DBZ video, not using a linkin park song, and I love it. I"m making an action DBZ video now, but I'm not letting anyone tell me not to make. Sure, originality and creativity is one thing to music videos, but just because people use over-used anime's, doesn't mean they shouldn't use that anime. IF they want to make it, let them. People need to learn and improve their skills, or they just want to have a video of their favorite anime. So, I say, leave the DBZ and other "over-used" anime's alone, and let the creator have fun with it.

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Post by megaman917 » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:35 pm

megaman917 wrote: I agree with what you're saying, but I never said DBZ sucked, and nothing I say here should discourage anyone from making AMVs that they want to make. Nothing that is said here should offend or discourage anyone from making AMVs of their choosing. When I started this thread, my intention was for creators, based on how they make their own AMVs, to share what they think is a good idea or a bad idea. Also I wanted creators to share, with other creators, and for AMVs in general, what they think is a good idea or bad idea. I was hoping that all posts here will based on personal opinions. No one should take offense or be discouraged from doing what they want to do.
I forgot to mention: Your posts needn't be based on my first post. If you have other thoughts, aside from what I said in my first post, on what would be a good or bad idea, please share them.
"If you're not cheating, you're not trying!" - R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero (1967 - 2005)
Through tragedy, she found triumph. R.I.P. Coretta Scott King (1927 - 2006)
Long live the "King of Pop"! R.I.P. Michael Jackson (1958 - 2009)

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