...would third eye work?

ifihadaninja · Post by **ifihadaninja** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:01 am

I'm contemplating whether or not i should use Tools "Third Eye" for my next AMV. I know the song is over 13 minuites long, but i think the song changes pace enough which should keep it from being boring. i already have the anime choice, which is obviously End of Evangelion and Death and Rebirth.
Just let me know if people would actually watch it.

Warheart · Post by **Warheart** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:10 am

Wheee .... a new video from a neighbor globocide member. Well the song is awsome and I´d like to see an amv with this music. I don´t really like Eva, it´s totally overused still the combo would fit. Do you intend to use the full song, it may be a bit long to do an amv to it cause after you made maybe 5 mins you will surely lack interest.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:15 pm

I'd say go for it, if you got patience to edit such a long piece, no problem taking it on (and I speak from experience...)

Though knowing Third Eye, you probably could shorten a few of the sections for a more manageable video.

Merm · Post by **Merm** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:30 pm

13 minutes?!?

I go with Otohiko: shorten the song a bit.

Don't drive yourself crazy. I have done 20 min editing project, it takes a long time, drove me halfway to madness, and that was just a series of interviews! Matching anime to songs for that long is going to take a hell of a lot of patience.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:35 pm

I do actually plan to make an AMV about that length one day; though I suppose it depends on what exactly it is that you want to achieve here. Realistically, you obviously can't expect this to be a very popular AMV, and if you want to make it original, you really have to take some different angle on the Eva Movies, and that can be difficult.

I *cough* speak from experience (hint: I made a not-too-much-suck 7.5 minute D&R/EoE AMV)

Anyway, I have a live version of Third Eye handy, see if I can listen through to it.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:49 pm

Alright, here's what I'm detecting:

-the intro doesn't neccesarily 'click' with Eva. I get a sense it would fit in more with, hmm... some cyberpunk/'anti-utopian world' title, perhaps... You could actually do some shortening at its' expense... though it does have a certain important effect.
-After that, I'd be concerned about not overstretching either the action or the 'headfuck' flashing-seizure sequences. They just seem to be slightly overused from Eva and may not have the effect that you would like. Some instrumental/guitar solo parts could be edited down a tad without much loss to the song/video structure.
I'd say you could easily cut down the first half of the song by 1/2; though that would require competent audio editing. There's enough repetition to warrant some cropping.

-The second half, obviously from the part where it goes quiet is the most effective part, and it probably fits in with Eva quite a bit. You can cut down some of the repeating 'came out to watch you play' bits though. Later - again, repeating riff-based instrumental parts can take shortening.

Yep, I think that you can, realistically, get it down to a more manageable 7 minutes or so with some audio editing. That's what I would probably do; structurally, the piece wouldn't suffer much from editing out redundancies.

ifihadaninja · Post by **ifihadaninja** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:12 pm

Ok, what i had in mind was a comedy/drama video, how would that work you say?

Well, Im trying to display the video as one BIG drug trip. How you say? the occasionaly flashes that seem to be a bit over-the-top. But i have an image in my mind of what i want it to be like, though when i edit it usually never turns out how i want it too. I'm thinking about watching the movies numerous times and chicken scratch a bit in a note book. Ive never really written down notes before, but this video idea DOES have potential. I'm just afraid i lack the editing skills to make this video worth my time and other people's.

On another note i thought i about editing the audio. This wont work because:
1: I am a breed of monkey when it comes to song editing.
2: I WANT this video to be long. I like to think of it as a challenge, so to speak.

I want the song as a whole to capture it in all of it's glory.
I'm also planning on repeating scenes over and over, to give it that repeating effect i some times get when im high. (To anyone reading this, im not telling to people to start doing drugs by any means. I say this so people can possibly relate.)

Warheart · Post by **Warheart** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:34 pm

What codec do you want to use to create a HQ version of a 13min long amv ?

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:52 pm

Ah, well, if you actually want to use the full 13 minutes, go right ahead - I thought you wanted to know if you could somehow make it easier; in this case, certainly, if you're willing to put in the effort, go right ahead.

Although don't expect great laurels for success on this.

As for 13 minutes in 100 megs - nah, it's not hard at all. Look at fansubs, most squeeze 20-something minutes into just over 200megs, and sometimes much less. It isn't terribly difficult to find a decent-looking XviD solution, just need to play around with bitrates, sizes and other settings to get the right size.

ifihadaninja · Post by **ifihadaninja** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:15 am

yeah, i could probably squeeze it into 130 megs.