New Law in California

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:33 pm

Staff might want to look into this. It may apply only to P2P sharing...in California...to-from California...who knows.

http://fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=41927

Comment: another wildly stupid law considering how many email addresses any single person or entity can have, not to mention the short lifespan of what they're trying to call "legitimate" addresses.

bum · Post by **bum** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:47 pm

yeah, that will work fantastic. its gona be realy hard to creat a new hotmail acount and fake all the information when submiting the form. which most people do with there current acounts anyway. arnie should just go back to blowing shit up. but ah, it allways give me a laugh when i see the words "Govenor Arnold Schwarzenegger" or "govenor of california" . i a love america sometimes.

YuriCSPGRP · Post by **YuriCSPGRP** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:02 pm

hmmmm time to re-activate all my alias e-mail account

hey I voted for Arnold, it was him or Gray Davis... & Davis was fucking up California's school system promised money for schools & spent it on a new car insted... @ least Arnold is tring to get California out of it's huge debt...

But I dont see how this effects the org, yes it is digital media, but we are not tring to get profit out of it nor are we tring to "steal" from creators of music and anime... I think a great % of people here buy the CD's they use or at least use iTunes to buy the song, and buy the anime they use as source footage... but well... thats what I do anyways, or I borrow it from a friend.

bum · Post by **bum** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:14 pm

ChaosLordVeGeTa wrote:thats what I do anyways, or I borrow it from a friend.

which technicaly is illegal. well, it is for games i know that for sure. but its probably no different for music and anime dvd's. sometimes it seems that the more technologicaly advanced humanity gets, the stupider it gets.

YuriCSPGRP · Post by **YuriCSPGRP** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:30 pm

bum wrote:
ChaosLordVeGeTa wrote:thats what I do anyways, or I borrow it from a friend.
which technicaly is illegal. well, it is for games i know that for sure. but its probably no different for music and anime dvd's. sometimes it seems that the more technologicaly advanced humanity gets, the stupider it gets.

yet I dont see how borrowing someone elses stuff is illegal, the FBI warning thing at the start of every DVD says for re-distibution, which as I under stand is coping & re-selling, letting somoen borrow a DVD or CD isnt against the law as long as you dont make 500 copies and bootleg it.

[/quote]sometimes it seems that the more technologicaly advanced humanity gets, the stupider it gets.[/quote]

I couldnt agree more =/

MadNavigator · Post by **MadNavigator** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:36 pm

I just wonder how this would really be enforced in the long run? Even still, if it would end up being dismissed from the books?

I remember there being a law against spam mail to email addresses belonging to citizens of the State of Washington. One publicized example of enforcement (which I am kinda paraphrasing) was where some geek wrote some spamming company and said "Hey, you spammed me, I live in Washington, and that's against the law.", so he got some sort of settlement. Don't recall what happened outside of that, or whether or not that law is still on the books in Olympia.

All in all...Internet laws like in Washington and California would be pretty darn hard to enforce.

And yes...humanity is stupid, and we'll all be pwn3d by Agent Smith and that droid from I, Robot.

YuriCSPGRP · Post by **YuriCSPGRP** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:42 pm

KinFreon wrote:I just wonder how this would really be enforced in the long run? Even still, if it would end up being dismissed from the books?

I remember there being a law against spam mail to email addresses belonging to citizens of the State of Washington. One publicized example of enforcement (which I am kinda paraphrasing) was where some geek wrote some spamming company and said "Hey, you spammed me, I live in Washington, and that's against the law.", so he got some sort of settlement. Don't recall what happened outside of that, or whether or not that law is still on the books in Olympia.

All in all...Internet laws like in Washington and California would be pretty darn hard to enforce.

And yes...humanity is stupid, and we'll all be pwn3d by Agent Smith and that droid from I, Robot.

thats droids name is Sonny btw, so dont piss him off... he is the only robot that can killa human!!!!

I think congrees also tried to tax e-mails by how many u sent, which was to cut down on spamers... but how do you collect something like that in electronic form which you can bypass with ease =p

I swear all the political people know jack shit about technology these days.

badmartialarts · Post by **badmartialarts** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:45 pm

ChaosLordVeGeTa wrote: yet I dont see how borrowing someone elses stuff is illegal, the FBI warning thing at the start of every DVD says for re-distibution, which as I under stand is coping & re-selling, letting somoen borrow a DVD or CD isnt against the law as long as you dont make 500 copies and bootleg it.

Ever been in a place where they have a TV playing a movie? Like, a friend's house? You and your friends all sitting around watching a great film? According to the letter of the law, the owner of that DVD/videocassette just 'distributed' that video to all of you. And you now all owe the government some money.

Now, you don't see the FBI busting down too many doors for this, because there usually isn't any money involved. If they crack down at all it's usually on places like sports bars (who have to pay the NFL/NBA/etc. a lot of cash to be able to show their games in a public venue like that where they are making money indirectly from it.)

But 'distribution' is just that. Taking a source and giving it out, for pay or not.

YuriCSPGRP · Post by **YuriCSPGRP** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:04 pm

Sousaphonist wrote:
ChaosLordVeGeTa wrote: yet I dont see how borrowing someone elses stuff is illegal, the FBI warning thing at the start of every DVD says for re-distibution, which as I under stand is coping & re-selling, letting somoen borrow a DVD or CD isnt against the law as long as you dont make 500 copies and bootleg it.
Ever been in a place where they have a TV playing a movie? Like, a friend's house? You and your friends all sitting around watching a great film? According to the letter of the law, the owner of that DVD/videocassette just 'distributed' that video to all of you. And you now all owe the government some money.

Now, you don't see the FBI busting down too many doors for this, because there usually isn't any money involved. If they crack down at all it's usually on places like sports bars (who have to pay the NFL/NBA/etc. a lot of cash to be able to show their games in a public venue like that where they are making money indirectly from it.)

But 'distribution' is just that. Taking a source and giving it out, for pay or not.

hehe thats taking the word 'distrubution ' litteraly

I think the way they phase it is pirtating the stuff, but I could be wrong, I mostly get up & get a drink when I pop in a DVD so I dont have to get up during the video to get my drink

also the sports bars who show NFL/NBA ect games NORMALLY buy the NFL Sunday Ticket or the equivilent for other sports, so they do pay the NFL for distributing in thier bar, I know becasue I used to work in a bar/pizzaria & my boss was always pissed about it hehe.

Pyle · Post by **Pyle** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:41 pm

bum wrote:
ChaosLordVeGeTa wrote:thats what I do anyways, or I borrow it from a friend.
which technicaly is illegal. well, it is for games i know that for sure. but its probably no different for music and anime dvd's. sometimes it seems that the more technologicaly advanced humanity gets, the stupider it gets.

Yes, but as with everything but taxes.

Do we care?