Konitchiwa, and newbie questions

Rosie-chan · Post by **Rosie-chan** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:11 pm

Hey all...those of you who were just at Anime Boston might have seen me along with DOKool--we go to school togeather at the moment and he is El Presidente of the anime club.

Anyway, I'm poking around here because I've caught the AMV bug and will proably try my hand at it when I have a: time--after this semester and b: a DVD-ROM drive at the very least (which entails me having c: money.)

A coupple questions:

- There's a localy popular group that goes (or went) by the name of Moxy Fruvious that I like and have songs I can see doing an AMV to. Thing is, the best versions of their songs are almost always the live concert versions (which I can get the CD for off my brother) as compared to their studio recordings (which I'd have to search hard and spend money for). Live versions have audience cheering, yelling, etc, etc, some of which can be edited out easily, some not. Has anyone tried making a video to the live version of a song? Has anyone ever made a *good* video to the live version of a song? Is it as much of a pain in the neck as I suspect it could be?

- I'm running Win2k as my primary OS and don't care to touch XP with a ten foot pole. Anyone know where I can get a (legit) demo of Premiere 6.5 to try out, seeing as Premiere Pro is XP only? Preferably not from Kazaa or warez sites as I don't particuarly trust either one of them--I'll use Kazaa for the occasional mp3 or rare PDF from an out of print book but I wouldn't trust it with .exe files. (My alternitive might be to actualy get the Linux partition on my computer working and use the open source editors out there).

-Has anyone ever tried making AMVs with music bought from a download service or think it's a good idea?

-I might upgrade my videocard before embarking on such a project; I built my current computer starting with a fairly barebones configuration and the video I have is the 4MB S3 Savage Pro chip builtin to the motherboard. I won't spend more than $100 on it. Recomendations? (I have a coupple ATI ones in mind.) Or is what I have sufficient to start out with? (I've also got 1.4 ghz of CPU and 512 MB of RAM which isn't top of the line, but more than sufficient for anything I usualy do.)

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:29 pm

Rosie-chan wrote: - There's a localy popular group that goes (or went) by the name of Moxy Fruvious that I like and have songs I can see doing an AMV to. Thing is, the best versions of their songs are almost always the live concert versions (which I can get the CD for off my brother) as compared to their studio recordings (which I'd have to search hard and spend money for). Live versions have audience cheering, yelling, etc, etc, some of which can be edited out easily, some not. Has anyone tried making a video to the live version of a song? Has anyone ever made a *good* video to the live version of a song? Is it as much of a pain in the neck as I suspect it could be?

No, live versions are just fine, it's the recording quality of the version that's in question. If done well, live recording can be as good sonically, and better musically than studio. Most of my videos use varyingly edited live footage (strangely, the least edited has the top sound across reviews...)

- I'm running Win2k as my primary OS and don't care to touch XP with a ten foot pole. Anyone know where I can get a (legit) demo of Premiere 6.5 to try out, seeing as Premiere Pro is XP only? Preferably not from Kazaa or warez sites as I don't particuarly trust either one of them--I'll use Kazaa for the occasional mp3 or rare PDF from an out of print book but I wouldn't trust it with .exe files. (My alternitive might be to actualy get the Linux partition on my computer working and use the open source editors out there).

Check the adobe site, I believe they should have it. WinXP is not a neccesity. I use 98 and am not planning a switch anytime soon. If you have Linux, Cinelerra seems to be the most common one to use there. And yep, don't go to download programs.

-Has anyone ever tried making AMVs with music bought from a download service or think it's a good idea?

Again, I don't see a problem - it's the quality of the specific recording that's in question. Most MP3-sourced AMV's are indistinguishable from CD-sourced ones, no matter what the audiophiles may say

-I might upgrade my videocard before embarking on such a project; I built my current computer starting with a fairly barebones configuration and the video I have is the 4MB S3 Savage Pro chip builtin to the motherboard. I won't spend more than $100 on it. Recomendations? (I have a coupple ATI ones in mind.) Or is what I have sufficient to start out with? (I've also got 1.4 ghz of CPU and 512 MB of RAM which isn't top of the line, but more than sufficient for anything I usualy do.)

I'm not sure about the video requirements, and the CPU + RAM sound just fine. You might want to take a look at some of the newer cards. I use a simple GeForce FX5200 which has 128mb ram and cost me about $70, and you can get much better for $100 these days. You might also want to look at some basic video capture cards if you're thinking of using TV/VCR footage, though that's really not neccesary.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:33 pm

Rosie-chan wrote: -Has anyone ever tried making AMVs with music bought from a download service or think it's a good idea?

Most download services will have DRM on the files to prevent you from using it with something like this.

godix · Post by **godix** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:38 pm

Live songs usually have the problem of being crappy quality. If you got a decent quality live version then go for it.

The only legit adobe tryout I'm familiar with is through adobes website which only had Premiere Pro as a tryout now.

I'm convinced the majority of AMVs here are made to MP3s regardless of if the creators want to admit it or not. Provided it's a decent quality MP3 that shouldn't pose a problem. What might pose a problem is that some of the legit download services have DRM to prevent pretty much exactly the type of things that have to be done to songs to put them in an AMV.

Your computer sounds fine to me. Processor, ram, and HD that are more important than video cards. Pretty much any card on the market now (or in the last several years) is more than capable of making and playing AMVs and most people rip footage from DVDs rather than capture it so that isn't really an issue anymore either. The only reason I know of to get the high end videos cards anymore are games or video editing alot more serious than AMVs require.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:50 pm

godix wrote: I'm convinced the majority of AMVs here are made to MP3s regardless of if the creators want to admit it or not. Provided it's a decent quality MP3 that shouldn't pose a problem.

For online distribution, this poses no technical problem at all, as you can just mux in the MP3 and have zero quality loss between the downloaded MP3 and the audio used in your AMV.

At conventions' AMV contests, however, there can easily be a difference between a second-hand MP3 and audio ripped from a higher-quality source such as a CD, especially since (1) you usually have some decent audio equipment at such places, and (more impotantly) (2) audio for convention videos always goes through another conversion somewhere along the line.

In the end, though, it's really up to you, I guess.

Rosie-chan · Post by **Rosie-chan** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:52 pm

Processor, ram, and HD that are more important than video cards.

What about the hard drive? I have 40 GB (of which only 6-8 is usualy in use) and plenty of off-site storage (with a fast connection, for now). How big do project files generaly get?

dokool · Post by **dokool** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:04 pm

Otohiko wrote:
- I'm running Win2k as my primary OS and don't care to touch XP with a ten foot pole. Anyone know where I can get a (legit) demo of Premiere 6.5 to try out, seeing as Premiere Pro is XP only? Preferably not from Kazaa or warez sites as I don't particuarly trust either one of them--I'll use Kazaa for the occasional mp3 or rare PDF from an out of print book but I wouldn't trust it with .exe files. (My alternitive might be to actualy get the Linux partition on my computer working and use the open source editors out there).
Check the adobe site, I believe they should have it. WinXP is not a neccesity. I use 98 and am not planning a switch anytime soon. If you have Linux, Cinelerra seems to be the most common one to use there. And yep, don't go to download programs.

Having recently checked the Adobe site to pick up the demos, I can tell you that they *don't* have the 6.5 demo online anymore...

-DOKool

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:10 pm

Rosie-chan wrote:
Processor, ram, and HD that are more important than video cards.
What about the hard drive? I have 40 GB (of which only 6-8 is usualy in use) and plenty of off-site storage (with a fast connection, for now). How big do project files generaly get?

You want as much as you can get. 32GB should be workable, but more is always better. I'm currently using up about 32GB of space spread out over about 3 videos, but I have most everything trimmed down to only the scenes that I need. If you wanna store full episodes/series to work with, then you might need more.

shumira_chan · Post by **shumira_chan** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:43 pm

Rosie-chan wrote:(My alternitive might be to actualy get the Linux partition on my computer working and use the open source editors out there).

If you do that:

http://www.reimeika.ca/amv/lives/lives_guide.html

might help. You must be willing to read and learn
a lot, though (I'm trying to make it an AMV-oriented
editor, actually, which wasn't the author's original
intention, but I'm slowly nudging him towards that :)

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:21 pm

shumira_chan wrote:
Rosie-chan wrote:(My alternitive might be to actualy get the Linux partition on my computer working and use the open source editors out there).
If you do that:

http://www.reimeika.ca/amv/lives/lives_guide.html

might help. You must be willing to read and learn
a lot, though (I'm trying to make it an AMV-oriented
editor, actually, which wasn't the author's original
intention, but I'm slowly nudging him towards that

Hmm, wow.

I should get off my ass and finish that Cinelerra/HV toolset guide I started some ages ago.

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