Im going to edit an AMV on VHS with a setup that cost over $25,000 in the 90's

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Re: Im going to edit an AMV on VHS with a setup that cost over $25,000 in the 90's

Postby DJ_Izumi » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:44 pm

How accurately can you edit with VHS which lacks the luxury of embedded time code? I only ever worked with digital tape VTR decks, mainly DVCAM, which have all kinds of nice things, including frame accurate inserts and such. (I mean, not that I'd ever want to go back to any kind of tape again in my life.)
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Re: Im going to edit an AMV on VHS with a setup that cost over $25,000 in the 90's

Postby justin_ » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:24 am

Im still learning the gear, but it seems that I cannot just record the audio track to tape and then just throw clips on top of it. I can record the audio off a CD (or a tablet for that matter) to tape, and then put video clips without the audio track on top of it, but it seems like it is impossible to record just video, or just audio to VHS. If I want to record audio I need to supply some sort of video whether that be another tape, or just a single color generated by the edit controller, and if I record video with no audio (not just muted audio, no audio) it still records a blank audio track to the tape.

That said it is still better than just using 2 consumer VCRs audio wise as when I am done editing together the video I can take the recorded tape and put it into the playback deck, use the edit controller to take video from the playback deck and audio from 'AUX 2', and record it to a new tape without rewiring anything.

Im still waiting on some tapes before I start, but I am still learning the edit controller and trying to see if I can get my hands on a second playback deck so I can do A/B editing in one take. At this point I have the basics of editing down and I am learning the more intermediate to advanced parts. The manual shows you how to do the basics, but doesn't mention too much about anything beyond that so at this point it is just trial and error on practice tape. It's nice how you can record onto VHS a theoretically infinite amount of times.

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Re: Im going to edit an AMV on VHS with a setup that cost over $25,000 in the 90's

Postby justin_ » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:35 am

DJ_Izumi wrote:How accurately can you edit with VHS which lacks the luxury of embedded time code? I only ever worked with digital tape VTR decks, mainly DVCAM, which have all kinds of nice things, including frame accurate inserts and such. (I mean, not that I'd ever want to go back to any kind of tape again in my life.)


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The edit deck itself keeps time. When you turn it on it sets the timecode clocks to 00:00:00:00 (hours:minutes:seconds:frames) and you can rewind the tapes to the beginning and reset the clock so that you can always have the timecodes align. It is quite good and with everything synchronized together (the edit deck creates a sync pulse that goes thru an amplifier and out to the VTRs, PVMs, and the character generator) it is very accurate. I haven't tested it, but it seems that if you rewind the tapes and reset the clocks when you start any frame will always be at the same timecode time.

As far as the actual editing gose, you set the Mark In and Mark Out points on the playback VTR, and the Mark In point on the record VTR, then you have the deck make the edit and the Mark In point seems to be frame perfect, but (and I haven't done too much testing with this) the actual end of the clip seems to be just a bit after the mark out point. When the deck makes the actual edit it gets both tapes to the right point and then rewinds them about 10 seconds, starts playback, and then when it reaches the mark in point it starts the recording.


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