Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

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Re: Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

Post by the Black Monarch » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:25 pm

Ripping = copying VOB files from the DVD to your hard drive.

It's literally not possible to create a playable DVD the way you describe. If you take a 29.97 FPS, hard-interlaced video stream and apply pulldown flags to it, you'll end up with a frame rate above 59.94 fps, which TVs and DVD players won't be able to play. Are you talking about DVDs that alternate between soft pulldown and hard NTSC because the TV shows themselves were edited on tape, leaving them full of 60 hz content and orphaned fields, and the DVD authors can't do anything about that?
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Re: Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

Post by seasons » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:07 pm

hey, did you ever get around to suffering a major head trauma?

Asking because I want to watch this.

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Post by seasons » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:43 pm

Also, getting back to the post I made on the last page (no reason to keep this a secret, especially given the small chance I'm ever going to do this), this was the AMV I really want to see remastered (probably inspired by the original music video, at least to a certain degree).



The watermarks have always annoyed me and I want to see this video in a higher quality than 480p.

Granted, Planetes came out in 2003 so the original footage would need to be professionally remastered to get a meaningful Blu-ray quality release before this could be done. Apparently, this actually happened in Japan but the retail price is more than I can stomach and I don't trust any torrents to be the real deal. I have no desire to edit with footage that's just upscaled DVD or broadcast footage, and without anything to compare it to, I don't trust my eyes well enough to truly tell if that's what I'd be working with.

There are also numerous moments in this video where I'd want to clean up orphaned frames (0:46, 2:04, 2:18, 2:26, 3:02, 3:39, 4:04, 4:41), which I'm sure were the result of mistakes or technical problems. I am regarding these mistakes as technical issues that need/deserve to be corrected, and not as alterations to the original work, which I guess by definition they are, but I like to think that the original editors wanted their AMV to be as free from these errors as possible, and that correcting them is an act of paying respect to their original vision. I realize that it's impossible to precisely assume what their original vision was outside of the finished video that they've shared with the world, and that someone could say this is a slippery slope (see the next paragraph where I gleefully slide right down it).

Taking that one step further, there are moments where I'm kind of baffled by certain decisions that were made on the timeline when this was created, and feel confident in my feel for the song and the anime that I could "perfect" the effect that the editors were going for in certain ways that wouldn't be a betrayal of the concept they had in mind, nor would it be disrespectful of what they set out to make or actually made. Having watched someone edit a video on Windows Movie Maker, a version of which I know was widely available 12+ years ago when this video was made, I know how hard it is to make precision cuts or to edit in a truly nonlinear fashion, which does make getting the final product exactly as you want it to be a very difficult and tedious and sometimes impossible process. Actually making changes to anything here would make it something other than a remaster, and if I actually did so, I wouldn't call it a remaster at all, but something else.

No idea if I'd go so far as to make editorial alterations to this, but at the very least it deserves a cleaner remaster with higher quality footage and some spot-editing on a handful of cuts that didn't quite come out as they were intended to.

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Re: Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

Post by seasons » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:48 pm

Just my opinion, but I don't think this thread is about the semantics of the step by step process of deinterlacing ripped footage off of old DVDs.

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Re: Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

Post by Kionon » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:50 pm

seasons wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:48 pm
Just my opinion, but I don't think this thread is about the semantics of the step by step process of deinterlacing ripped footage off of old DVDs.
As the thread originator, your assessment is accurate. If this was meant to be a technical filtering discussion (which I have been doing for a long time now and understand just fine with great results), I'd have put it in the technical forums. This thread is about the philosophy, ethics, and purpose of remasters. Either of your own work or (likely more controversial) the work of others.
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Re: Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

Post by Zarxrax » Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:05 pm

I spent the weekend thinking and doing some research into available sources and stuff, and I've decided that I want to put a serious effort towards remastering a number of older videos. I don't have much in the way of original ideas these days, so it seems like a fun project for me. I've probably got about 10 videos lined up now. Maybe I'm getting in a little over my head, so maybe I'll just keep quiet about it until I get at least one or two finished.

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Re: Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

Post by the Black Monarch » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:22 am

I just remembered the time many years ago when I started doing a remaster of Jesmaster's End of Evangelion / Dragula video. I should get back to that.
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Re: Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

Post by Zarxrax » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:33 pm

I came across an interesting situation in a video that I am remastering, and I'm looking for input on the ideal way to handle it.

A lot of older videos are encoded at 29.97fps, so you get a lot of frames blended together. So when remaking it, whenever I have a blended frame at a scene cut, I'll just go with a frame from one scene or the other (I don't consider it necessary to blend the frames together, because I see that as a side effect of the technology of the time, and not an artistic choice by the creator).

However, I came across one scene cut where one field of the blended frame is NOT from the scene either before or after. So basically the creator accidentally let a single field from an incorrect scene appear by mistake.

So, what would be the best way to handle this accidental field?
1) Just replace with with the 'correct' frame, since I haven't been reproducing frame blends anyways
2) Put the 'accidental' shot in as a full frame (but this would make it far more apparent than in the original)
3) Reproduce the frame blend for this one frame.

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Re: Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

Post by seasons » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:05 pm

I would say choice #1, just my opinion though.

It wasn't their intent to have that slip in, I think you can assume that with confidence.

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Re: Remasters Are The Ultimate Labor of Love

Post by Zarxrax » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:54 am

While I'm also leaning towards #1, I want to be careful that I am not adding improvements to the editing beyond just the visual quality, as its not really my place to be thinking about what the creator might have intended or not, and then try to better realize their vision than they did. I think if it was a full frame, I would probably keep it in there like that. But knowing that it was just a single field makes it a more difficult decision, since we no longer work with these archaic things known as fields :)

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