Hello! Can anyone help me?

VampyreMiyu · Post by **VampyreMiyu** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 2:46 pm

Hi! I was hoping some people here can help me. I am currently taking a computers and ethics class and the topic I have chosen for my term paper is AMV's and whether it is ethical or not to use copyrighted materials for them. Since I got no help from Katsucon in finding AMV people while I was attending the con, I'm coming to the people here for help. Here's what I need you for. I hope to post in a few days a questionaire to gather some facts, opinions, and quotes I can use in my paper. If its not too much of a bother can you help me by answering it? Thanks!

Valerie

Ashyukun · Post by **Ashyukun** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:25 pm

Welcome to the forum, albeit under rather more amusing reasons than most.

Sorry you couldn't track any of us down at Katsucon- I would have thought Vic would have been rather obvious with his glowing (literally) outfit.

I'd imagine at least a few of us would be willing to help you out. You might also learn a bit of use just by looking through some of the recent threads, there are actually several that should still be near the top that heavily involve ethics and copyright-type stuff.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:38 pm

Well, the actuall making of an AMV is not illegal (unless you DL'd the music/anime/editing program

) But the distribution is just as illegal as sharing music over the net (unless the music/anime is completely original i.e. not copyrighted)

chaoticstormbringer · Post by **chaoticstormbringer** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:50 pm

Actually, it really isn't illegal. In some aspects it may be but if I remember correctly, the copyright laws say that you cannot copy the game for resale and such. So you have to get permission to sell the game or use it as a renting item before you can do so. But, the music videos we create from the sources we bought ourselves, as long as we don't try to sell mass copies of it. Besides, those who host their own videos on their sites are actually paying for it to be online, no?

Its only those bloody anti-(whatever) groups who think morals need to be heightened and also think that everything they don't like themselves is like some sort of sin they need to turn around.

I may be wrong about everything because i just look at very few laws really, but every time i watch a video I hear and see the same thing over and over.

I'm talking to much so I'll stop rambling now.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:58 pm

Actually, it really isn't illegal.

Yes, it is

You are confusing what the law is, with what people tend to think the law should be/what they want it to be.

You can not distribute copyrighted material. That includes AMV's.

buddykiller · Post by **buddykiller** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 4:11 pm

first off, i see nothing wrong with amv's neither moraly nor legally, i think the whole thing with napster was blown out of proportion and the only reason they where successfull is due to bigshot bullshit lawyers and rich asshole moneygrubbers, secondly, amv's arn't even close to being what mp3s where/are for a few simple facts, everybody and their mom knows about mp3s, how to get them, and how to make them, amv's on the other hand, well lets face it, their not as well known as they should be (cause god knows how hard it is to make a good amv!!!) secondly, only an idiot would download an amv just to rip the music from it and burn it to a cd, which was the only (and i do mean only and i beleive this whole-heartidly) reason that mp3s where ever brought into the court system of america, yea, sure, we're using copyrighted material to produce the amvs but in most aspects it's no different than streaming a band's song from a website (howmany fansites have shitty ass realmedia streams from their site? a whole shit-load!!!) and you don't see the law-dogs hounding their asses do ya? not to mention that amv's only serve to make you wanna buy an anime, or revisit your collection just to watch the anime used in the video, therefore for anybody to be moraly apposed to amv's should be shot and drug out into the streets o_O, and as far as legaly goes, we arn't making a profit off of them, only gaining respect from people, so what is the fucking problem? i mean shit, we arn't even using the whole anime, just a few clips from here and there, i don't think their illegal because nobody's dumb enough to take an amv creator to court, and until that happens, as far as i'm concerned, there is nothing illegal what-so-ever about creating and distributing amv's (as long as a profit is not made) wether that will hold up in court, fuck if i know and i don't realy care...

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 4:16 pm

There isn't anything illegal in the creation of AMV's unless you use illegal methods to obtain source or editing software.

The distribution of copyrighted material is illegal. Whether or not the owners of the copyrighted material act upon the illegal distribution, does not determine whether it is "OK" to distribute it.

buddykiller · Post by **buddykiller** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 4:20 pm

jonmartensen wrote: The distribution of copyrighted material is illegal. Whether or not the owners of the copyrighted material act upon the illegal distribution, does not determine whether it is "OK" to distribute it.

oh, i know that, i just mean in my eyes it's not until somebody goes to court over it, thats all ^_^

kmv · Post by **kmv** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 5:26 pm

buddykiller wrote:
jonmartensen wrote: The distribution of copyrighted material is illegal. Whether or not the owners of the copyrighted material act upon the illegal distribution, does not determine whether it is "OK" to distribute it.
oh, i know that, i just mean in my eyes it's not until somebody goes to court over it, thats all ^_^

What, so it's OK as long as no one see you do it?

Jonmartensen is correct - it is illegal because you are creating a derivative work from copyrighted material AND distributing it.

If it helps, think of it like the difference between plagiarism and quoting references: plagiarism is where you copy non-trivial quantities from a work and incorporate it into a work of your own, quoting references is essentially a list of the works that you based your work upon (possibly with a very short quote from the original work).

To translate that into AMV's: quoting references would be like having a single still from each original work and a complete list of the works (including authors, publishers, etc.). Not a very interesting AMV.

There is the argument "but I'm creating a new work", but that is just not the case. At best you can say that the timeline you created is your copyrighted work.

Of course all of this is moot if you never distribute it - that is considered "fair use" and you can do that as long as you own the kit you made it with.

Interesting side note: Fox recently started issuing C&D's for lots of the Buffy MV's floating about - but that is a more complicated issue because you have royalties tied up in that, and a number of them have the Fox logo visible which effectively forces Fox to take action.

kmv · Post by **kmv** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 5:31 pm

VampyreMiyu wrote:I hope to post in a few days a questionaire to gather some facts, opinions, and quotes I can use in my paper.

Will you publish the results? I expect most people will be interested.

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