Are we in another slump of amvs?

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:43 pm

yea the decline is here, however the incline is on youtu<b></b>be, people there act like amv is a new thing.

LuluandAuron · Post by **LuluandAuron** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:39 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Possibly of note... How many of us started this in High school or college and now have careers and or families that have started to suck away our free time and thus hinder our output?

I started after school, college, family. But ya, for many that would be the case.

As for Vista, that's the main reason it isn't my OS.

3. If a new member doesn't take the time to understand how a community works, why should the community bend over backwards to accommodate for their ignorance? Yes, I'll concede that there are plenty of howling retards on the forums who think it's still hilarious to copy age-old jokes, but the reality is that if a new person can't take the five minutes to recognize that this place is not boochsack, then they probably don't care enough about the hobby for us to care about them anyway.

I agree with this.

as for point 2) There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, however "this video sucks" wouldn't really help me become a better editor LOL It doesn't bother me if someone doesn't like my style or it's not their cup of tea ect. On the otherhand, if I didn't execute the video well, I want to know.

DriftRoot · Post by **DriftRoot** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:11 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Possibly of note... How many of us started this in High school or college and now have careers and or families that have started to suck away our free time and thus hinder our output?

Not me. I didn't have time for all this stuff when I was in college and it was barely a blip on my radar when I was in high school - I knew anime (or Japanimation as I recall it being termed) existed, I just hadn't the vaguest idea how to get my hands on it.

Possibly also of note... how many of us got into anime in high school/college when it was nowhere near as prevalent, accessible or popular as it is now? That wasn't very long ago, maybe four or five years. The people who were into it back then, I would argue, were far more "hardcore" than the average person is now, who often considers themselves an anime fan if they watch and enjoy a handful of AMVs on the Tube, catch some Naruto on Cartoon Network and read a little manga. *waves her cane* Back in my day, we sent VHS tapes back and forth across the country by carrier pigeon!!

*er hem*

Similarly, the mere concept of creating one's own videos and sharing them on the Internet is a far, far different animal than it was a few years back, when coming across a site like this was literally a treasure trove of originality and opportunity. AMVs and a-m-v.org are not exactly cutting edge, radical endeavors anymore and people have tons of other places to go to get their anime/video fix.

Nothing necessarily wrong with AMVs being over their peak production era, of course, if one considers that quantity does not necessarily equal quality. I'd rather watch 100 good AMVs than 1,000 mediocre ones, and if this site winds up being a showcase for the former rather than the latter, then I for one am not going to complain. Of course, that puts a big - HUGE - dent in part of this site's mission, which ostensibly is to create a catalog of every AMV ever created. Perhaps the a-m-v.org mission needs a little revamping, in light of current trends in online video distribution.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:32 pm

I find it kinda stupid when people have no problem whatsoever signing up for booshack, yet, can't even complete the .org registration process to get an HQ quality version of a video they like.

There's the reason for the decline!

MusoukaProductions · Post by **MusoukaProductions** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:55 pm

Castor Troy wrote:I find it kinda stupid when people have no problem whatsoever signing up for booshack, yet, can't even complete the .org registration process to get an HQ quality version of a video they like.

There's the reason for the decline!

For most people, something like FTP blows their mind. Plus they have no idea how to encode to h264 or similar and just upload their crappy wmv version to youtube because hey, it looks the same. Youtube simplified the process and people are lazy, they will take the simpler route. Do you think someone who leaves subtitles and DivX logos in cares much about the quality? Maybe if the org made a simpler upload process... (I'm fine with it, but I've been around computers for a long time so it's fairly simple for me.

Maybe just have it be a simple upload button where the person browses to their file and clicks on it then hits the upload button. No username/password ftp business. I don't know if this is even feasible for the org but it's an idea. The simpler the better at this point.

Vivaldi · Post by **Vivaldi** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:50 pm

Castor Troy wrote:I find it kinda stupid when people have no problem whatsoever signing up for booshack, yet, can't even complete the .org registration process to get an HQ quality version of a video they like.

There's the reason for the decline!

It takes around 22 seconds + download time just for them to even watch a video. Which sucks for the casual browsing they're used to. Some people who start on the tube think d\ling vids is unnecessary and more than a little silly. I once asked someone why they never checked out the amv links I gave them. They said "I just don't download videos." (these had direct links) No reason other than that in and of itself. I've even been accused of being elitist for saying youtube quality sucks. :\

Basicly, they're happy with youtube. They see nothing wrong with youtube. So they see the org as nothing more than a hassle. Why try and fix something that seems to work?

Also, the entire uploading process is extreamly arcane unless you've done it a few times. You have to download extra programs, jump through all sorts of hoops,ect ect. When I first joined, I was flabbergasted that after spending half an hour figuring out how to make an entry in the catalog, actually putting it up for download was an entirely different bag of beans. When you realize that the average amv maker who doesn't make announcement threads will never get so much as even a quick comment and maybe two views for his effort. youtube just seems more logical.

Megamom · Post by **Megamom** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:17 pm

MusoukaProductions wrote:Maybe just have it be a simple upload button where the person browses to their file and clicks on it then hits the upload button. No username/password ftp business. I don't know if this is even feasible for the org but it's an idea. The simpler the better at this point.

Good idea ...!
But the current system load, is like a filter, if there were a system easier to load, I think that this would trigger a more inexperienced people to climb on the issue of poor quality work here!

The ORG = Y o u t u b e!

This is the real reason for the decline:

Animes less original = amvs less original!

= Amvs less developed

For my part:
This is from personal experience: I Megamom truth I proposed a goal, I want to change, I do AMV that people appreciate, and I want to compete, too.

Megamom · Post by **Megamom** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:24 pm

Megamom wrote:The ORG = Y o u t u b e!

From this I speak:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=90027

Niotex · Post by **Niotex** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:48 pm

Always have been and always will be.

We roughly produce 10 actual good video's a year. Deal with it.

CorpseGoddess · Post by **CorpseGoddess** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:58 pm

Niotex wrote:Always have been and always will be.

We roughly produce 10 actual good video's a year. Deal with it.

Ah, but one of the points of this discussion is that "good" is a highly subjective term. A better way to put it might be "we produce 10 videos a year that cause a hullaballoo and start a new trend/fad and make everybody think the bar is X amount higher now."