Plan B for when the ORG bites it.

[requiett]

some people are probably so freaked out about losing the org, that they can't sleep at night.

Namely you?

Well, perhaps it'd put some of your fears to rest to know just what exactly would go down in the event of the so-called "worst."

Worst could become best if it includes your absence from posting.

would filter out a lot of the crap and people who aren't serious as editors.

"I think my e-peen will have a better chance to grow more". Did I simplify your paragraph enough?

studios as something more than just a pointless brandname

This reminds me ..... The concept of AMV studios has historically been just a way to sound cool whether it was just one person or a group. Adding any more importance to "name recognition" in the AMV community does little damage since it jumped the shark a long time ago and is one of the things that has ultimately destroyed what this site used to be known for.

Your bullshit and sarcasm detection is UNSURPASSED, sir.

[x_rex30]

it isn't a grey area

doesn't them playing them at conventions make it grey?

OUCH!!

[Poetic_Kaos]

words

You know.. each time someone tells people to back off from the subject because AMVs are indeed illegal, I always see you bitchin'. Don't you ever think of... shutting the hell up?

1) You always see me? That’s odd; I rarely post.
2) There is a difference between complaining and sarcasm.
3) I’m not the one who started the subject. However, I fail to see why I can’t voice my sarcastic response.

[x_rex30]

That was obviously sarcastic.

[CelticWhisper]

Illegal and immoral are two very different things. Immoral laws are not to be followed, but are to be nonviolently disobeyed until changed.

Where would we all be if Rosa Parks had decided to just obey the law that one fateful day, instead of making her stand (no pun intended) against the injustice her people faced? What of Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King? These people knowingly chose to disregard the law because they understood that the law itself was unjust.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi

Copyright, in the way it's being used here, is unjust. It is, as previously mentioned, destroying the favourite pasttime of many very creative people. I'm not advocating taking a huge honkin' HERF emitter and frying the RIAA's servers from a van parked outside their corporate office (though that would really be satisfying), but I am advocating doing whatever it takes to show them that Fair Use is NOT dead, because the people will not LET it die, and we will not let them take away our rights.

Once again, what's being done here is legal under fair use. We are not reproducing the entire copyrighted work: we're only taking segments of it. We're not making money off of it. And we're not claiming to be the original creators of the source material or claiming any rights to the source material other than what's granted to us under Fair Use.

Do not let this greedy industry walk all over you. You don't have to. Remember that boycotting, coupled with letting them know why, can and will effect change. And frankly, I could give a damn what Phade wants. I'm boycotting the RIAA with a burning passion, and was long before this incident. And if I wasn't, I sure as hell would be now.

[JaddziaDax]

We are not reproducing the entire copyrighted work: we're only taking segments of it.

heres where your argument falls apart o.0

most people DO reproduce the ENTIRE song (though some do edit their songs, most still do use the whole song)...

same may not be true of the anime, but as far as the music and RIAA goes, most people DO use the whole song.

[Zaphod_Beeblebrox]

Oh, man you’ve made me see that light. How could I have been so foolish? I’ve destroyed the livelihoods of thousands upon thousands of our most artistic minds. It’s so illegal; I‘ve have contributed to the destruction of both domestic and foreign markets. I am no better than a terrorist. Bush should put me on the Axis of Evil and persecute me to the full extent of the law. My life is forfeit.

It makes no difference whether what we do is morally right or not (and to be completely honest i don't think that you can realistically argue that we aren't just stealing intellectual property) and besides, i didn't say anything about the artist's profits or livelihoods, the plain and simple fact is, unless you edit the song in some way more than just removing a section (i.e: unless you do a full re-mix) you are not even doing what might be construed as fair use, therefore it is illegal.

it isn't a grey area

doesn't them playing them at conventions make it grey?

No, it doesn't, it just means that the anime companies pay no attention, and conventions that are big enough to get noticed get licences or whatever to be able to play the music.

So no, no it isn't a grey area, the online distribution of AMVs without prior consent of the copyright holder is illegal. End of discussion.[/quote]

[x_rex30]

Then all the previous cons should be fined for doing something that is purely illegal and in no way or format maybe somewhat grey. And NO DUH it's illegal.. people say grey area because of companies turning a blind eye. I love how you just about state everything you say as fact and not opinion.

[x_rex30]

and conventions that are big enough to get noticed get licences or whatever to be able to play the music.

I missed reading that part. But still, STFU!

[Pyle]

Then all the previous cons should be fined for doing something that is purely illegal and in no way or format maybe somewhat grey. And NO DUH it's illegal.. people say grey area because of companies turning a blind eye. I love how you just about state everything you say as fact and not opinion.

Hmm...wait second...
Where have I seen something like this...

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... highlight=

Looks as though in that thread you are trying to make AMV's look legal. And here you are saying 'NO DUH it's illegal!'.