Seisiga-MAD: Japan enters AMV's

[Flint the Dwarf]

Of course, it's all in the eye of the beholder...

It doesn't sound like you believe that.

So we AMVers (I don't mean to insult you by including you) haven't made decent still-image music videos. Well, I'm betting the majority of AMVers hadn't seen a still-image music video (or MAD) before they started editing. And how do we come up with the idea of making an AMV? I'd say at least 99% of AMVers had seen a music video prior to their genesis in editing. That means they either saw a music video on MTV or VH1 or the like, or they saw AMVs from around the web. In addition, they also very likely had seen anime and listened to some variety of music common in America (aka not jpop; that would come later). Considering this, what would you expect? I'm betting that 99% of these editors, upon conceiving their first AMV idea, would produce something that was a collection of everything that had influenced them so far. Then, those that continued in the hobby would proceed making similar videos but would hone them until they were perfection in their eyes. Is this not creativity? Each of these editors (the ones that don't plagiarize) are in the act of creating something new and different to them, regardless of whether or not *you* like their videos. And then most of them try to improve on that type of video, while a few try to create something entirely different but might not succeed to your expectations because they are past the influential absorption ages of 8-14 or whatever.

As for the Japanese, they have jpop and manga and doujinshi, and an entirely different cultural upbringing in general. First off, jpop (I'm sure you've noticed) is usually very upbeat, fast, and often wacky. Secondly, manga and doujinshi (I hope you've noticed this) are composed of *gasp* still images! It only stands to reason that at least one person in the history of Japan would take it upon himself to use the creativity and story of a manga/doujinshi and add music. It probably looked rather dull. But then I bet some other people saw that video and thought, "Hey, this is kind of dull, let's make it flashier." And their cultural influences spawned these still-image MADs that some people are so fond of.

Summary: we're in different playing fields. Creativity is always influenced by something and, whether you like it or not, our influences do not make our creations any less creative. Please stop playing to this idea that the Japanese are so immensely talented and exceed American standards in nearly every instance.

Disclaimer - I never said I thought MADs were uncreative; just that I thought they lacked style.

[Flint the Dwarf]

Also, Zarxrax, that wasn't entirely aimed at you. I know you clarified what you meant earlier.

[Zarxrax]

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I agree 100% with what you said. I was never trying to put down amv creators because they don't make the same kind of stuff, I only mean to praise the mad creators for creating things which are so stunning and entertaining and influential to me.

In my eyes, its like the MAD creators are a PS2, and amv creators are an NES. Theres a lot of damn good NES games. There's also a lot of good PS2 games. PS2 games have a huge advantage over NES games in terms of graphics and such, but NES games work better for the VG3 project

[Beowulf]

Its true. Whenever a video I have doesn't work, I just clean it with a toothbrush and viola.

[SSJVegita0609]

I've yet to find a MAD I've ever actually enjoyed. I admire some of their technical prowess, however, I subjectively I can't stand watching them more than once.

[JCD]

Summary: we're in different playing fields. Creativity is always influenced by something and, whether you like it or not, our influences do not make our creations any less creative. Please stop playing to this idea that the Japanese are so immensely talented and exceed American standards in nearly every instance.

I agree. It was just a community standard. Japanese MAD communities and a-m-v.org were growing up seperately not knowing from each other and thus both had their own standards of what's good and what's not. Thus different styles developed making the difference we're arguing about here :p
Same can be said about Russian-speaking and maybe French communities.

I humbly think that a-m-v.org had the lowest standards of all those. Who of you didn't watch a really bad AMV shortly after you found out and were maybe even amazed by it? I was at that time. I thought I could do as good as that and didn't put much effort into my first videos. Now, what is if there wouldn't be a large number of bad videos, but only really good ones with lots of effort put in them? I clearly wouldn't have thought the same way creating my first videos and furthermore, the community wouldn't accept them as any good. So I would have to do better.
That is what it was propably like in the other communities above.

I hope what I wanted to say is clear, my english sucks this evening...

[Castor Troy]

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I agree 100% with what you said. I was never trying to put down amv creators because they don't make the same kind of stuff, I only mean to praise the mad creators for creating things which are so stunning and entertaining and influential to me.

In my eyes, its like the MAD creators are a PS2, and amv creators are an NES. Theres a lot of damn good NES games. There's also a lot of good PS2 games. PS2 games have a huge advantage over NES games in terms of graphics and such, but NES games work better for the VG3 project

Too bad we couldn't contact the mad editors for VG3

[Flint the Dwarf]

In my eyes, its like the MAD creators are a PS2, and amv creators are an NES. Theres a lot of damn good NES games. There's also a lot of good PS2 games. PS2 games have a huge advantage over NES games in terms of graphics and such, but NES games work better for the VG3 project

Also, my PS2 broke after a year while my 12 year old NES is still kicking strong.

[SSJVegita0609]

In my eyes, its like the MAD creators are a PS2, and amv creators are an NES. Theres a lot of damn good NES games. There's also a lot of good PS2 games. PS2 games have a huge advantage over NES games in terms of graphics and such, but NES games work better for the VG3 project

In my eyes MADs are like ambigously pedophilic trips to extremely loud, moderately irritating, and bright candy stores, whereas AMVs are like music videos.

[angelx03]

In my eyes, its like the MAD creators are a PS2, and amv creators are an NES. Theres a lot of damn good NES games. There's also a lot of good PS2 games. PS2 games have a huge advantage over NES games in terms of graphics and such, but NES games work better for the VG3 project

In my eyes MADs are like ambigously pedophilic trips to extremely loud, moderately irritating, and bright candy stores, whereas AMVs are like music videos.

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