A guide for dealing with the fact you just suck

Moonie · Post by **Moonie** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:56 pm

Knowname wrote:
Sephiroth wrote:Been here since the beginning and whats changed? NOTHING.
really?? I don't remember all of these Koop-ites and Decoy deciples back in the old forum (like before 2001)... coarse I was simply a noob back then so maybe I don't remember and got caught up in the slew. It's not that Koop or Decoy are all that bad really, it's just the sheep that think WotB or Euphoria are the only amvs that were, it's just pathetic! We didn't have anything like that back than <ignores>.

Hes the real Koop
The only real Koop
All the other Koops are just full of poop
So want the real Koop please stand up
please stand up
please stand up

I don't remember the Koop-ites and Decoy deciples back before 2001 either
Aww thinking about that brings back so many great memories
Gather around people and i'll tell you some interesting facts from back in the day.

I remember back then
when i used to just chill with Kevin Caldwell and William Milberry
Its was fun helping Keven with all his betas
He was actuallly straight up killing that engel video till I came and gave him some pointers.
It took alot of hard work but with my help, that turened into one of the best evangelion videos on this site.
Its a shame he never gave me credit for that.

Don't even get me started on william...
He used to always rush and make video in a couple of hours
and they were... not that great...
One day i sat down with him and told him to just
chill and take his time on his videos
Once he started putting more work into his videos, they started looking much better.
I was really impressed when i saw his beta for Blue Mercury.
It brought tears to my eys...
Damn im a good teacher!!

Rapture** wrote:
moonie211 wrote:being really rude with comments always seemed pretty pointless and dumb to me
Im always (well most of the time ) mind my manners whenever i actaully do comments
Some people around here just don't have any home training
Damn heathens...
If someone will tell you like : "You know,your video was pretty good,and I liked it,but then again,you could increase your video quality,or at least use abit more synch,but not necessary,since it's pretty good right now." What will you do then? Nothing,since filtering in your head will change it to something like this "You know,your video was pretty good,and I liked it.".

When I like the video,I'm leaving it nice comments,but when I don't like it,I'm not being rude,I'm just doing the right thing damn it!

I'm not using adorning comments that will make it look as if the video needs no major changes,if you want pretty comments,well,then just don't post the fucking video. If you'll always try to being nice,then the one receiving your comments will just start to accept them as if his work is superb and needs no improvement. It's not like we're being rude,just that it's a straight feedback. Being serious doesn't mean that one is being rude. If you receive a number of comments like "Your video sucks,you need to do lots of improvement!",well then pardon me,but your video does suck. It's not flaming,nor it's being rude,just that it's a straight comment to you.

It's just that there are people who say : "Your video sucks!" and there are people who are not so lazy,to give a bit more detailed feedback : "Your video needs a lot of improvement,escpecially there,and in that part too,read the guides and they'll help you to improve a bit." . I always leave my nickname after QCs,just so people whom I leave them,could contact me just in case they have any more questions.

I was actully talking about all the master assholes out there.
Nothings wrong with just saying you don't like a video
Using manners and sugar coating are 2 different things.
I personally always hated those people that just make comments like "You suck", "you fell" "stoped it after "insert seconds here" because it sucks so much" without saying anything else.
Those kind of posts don't really give any help or tell what the creator needs to improve on.
In my opinion they always were pointless and dumb.
All those people that do that stuff can go screw themselves with a cactus.
Damn heathens...

Now that I think about it, its actually kind of weird that im even commenting about this stuff
considerind I rarely give real constuctive critisim myself and don't really care or think about it most of the time anyway.
I guess im just bored or avoiding messing with premiere right now >.>

BTW who is this God9 guy?
You better watch out for him, Godix

Rapture** · Post by Rapture** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:56 pm

moonie211 wrote:"You suck", "you fell"

Those are not even comments,but insults,or even flaming.

moonie211 wrote:"stoped it after "insert seconds here" because it sucks so much"

Now that's rudeness. I agree that it's rude,and pointless,but there will always appear an asshole whole leave a comment like this,as long as your stuff is in public. Comments like this shouldn't be taken serious,as they mean nothing,but is just somenones whining.

I myself have not much to say in this topic anymore,since I've said all I wanted already >.<

quadir · Post by **quadir** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:15 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:i gotta tell my beta testers WHEN I'm ready for that kind of feedback... (I usually like to work out my own kinks first)

If you're not ready for feedback, don't do a beta. (I know you said "kind" but c'mon)

Ingow wrote:I think that that guide was pretty poorly written considering that this was supposed to come from some kind of professional.

It's written to fanfic writters who are doing it as a hobby. It makes the case towards them that it doesn't matter if you just did it for fun, people have the right to take you seriously if you want them to or not, and you have an obligation to at least be courteous to them when they do, like it or not. It didn't really miss it's audience, sometimes writting over your audience a bit makes them take what you're saying a bit more seriously.

Eva-Fan wrote:Just flat out telling them your first thoughts (drop the hammer) will get the point across alot better even if it does make them angry. I feel that's why QC's have been implemented on this site. So people can do this without being flamed by the creator.

I direct you to the QC flaming threads, there's tons, knowname just posted one, kadium locked one recently, just because it's anonymous doesn't mean people won't ridicule the comment publicly. There's several in this thread.

servo101010 wrote:Ironically, this article applies to all those who have quit the AMV community because of their ego perspective

I think the org has failed many of these people. It provides so little direction on how things should be interpreted. When's the last time you took the tiny text saying (5 = average) for op scores when you say someone rate you a 6? The org NEEDs to give context and guidance on interpreting the ops and scores it provides, and make things clear when entering video profiles (ie, you are allowing people to give you feedback, wether you want it or not, and you should treat them with respect no matter what). Pro-active not re-active.

Arigatomina wrote:*a really interesting post*

Much of the studies about independant films can be applied to AU amvs. Go into Film studies and a lot of what you learn can be applied to Canon vids. Go into TV production and you'll learn about spots and bumper and "fun" videos. To say there isn't professional studies of the elements in an amv is a bit narrow minded.

And yes, all these perspectives can give you a rulebook. There are rules that make a character profile work. There are rules that make a action video fail. The org isn't the place that will teach you these in a bible format though. Hopefully from the feedback you get you can get better on your own.

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:33 pm

uh, in early stages of feedback I'm usually looking for reaction on the concept, not necessarily nitpicks about timing or effects... I see nothing wrong with beta testing a early to see if the concept is a good one or not... or to see if it's going to get the reaction I want.

dazza1008 · Post by **dazza1008** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:59 pm

godix wrote:
dazza1008 wrote:the quick comment I received...
1/5. quality was just as bad as the fucking video

Damn! I am so tempted to call that a flame
That's not even near flaming. It's constructive criticism but vague enough that it's little help to anyone.

If THAT'S constructive criticism, well, there are GRADES of constructive criticism. The meaning behind constructive criticism is to help the person create something better. Which would inspire or make it easier to create?
a)1/5 quality was just as bad as the fucking video
b)1/5 quality was low and I didn't like the concept

Saying the EXACT SAME THING in a rude way diminishes the effect of the person creating, and that's why I'm not sure if people who state things in a rude way are actually trying to help the person, or to be blunt, doing something for themselves (like feeding their own ego).

Plus notice that putting the word "I" in it reiterates that it is someone's opinion, not God's word, and it softens any ego-reaction. XD

If people really did want to help people improve, take note, and it would be appreciated if nice language was used.

On the other hand, when I do receive a polite and encouraging quick comment, I feel ten times better than I would otherwise because of all this.

moonie211 wrote:Using manners and sugar coating are 2 different things.

That's it in a nutshell.

Rapture** · Post by Rapture** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:34 pm

dazza1008 wrote:If THAT'S constructive criticism, well, there are GRADES of constructive criticism. The meaning behind constructive criticism is to help the person create something better. Which would inspire or make it easier to create?
a)1/5 quality was just as bad as the fucking video
b)1/5 quality was low and I didn't like the concept

Have you read the damn article?

Tara LJC O'Shea wrote:Learn to separate your ego from the story

Person gave you that comment because he thinks that your video sucks,just in a bit straighter and a bit more rude way than you expected.

Saying that it sucks in a nicer way won't make it more inspiring! Damn it,just get over it! If you're afraid of comments like that,well then just don't post the fucking video! I'll repeat myself once more :

Rapture** wrote:there will always appear an asshole whole leave a comment like this,as long as your stuff is in public.

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:32 pm

erm... foruming plus sleepless nights = fail... sorry for my previous comments lol they were pretty retarded ^_^

dazza1008 · Post by **dazza1008** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:33 pm

Rapture** wrote:
dazza1008 wrote:If THAT'S constructive criticism, well, there are GRADES of constructive criticism. The meaning behind constructive criticism is to help the person create something better. Which would inspire or make it easier to create?
a)1/5 quality was just as bad as the fucking video
b)1/5 quality was low and I didn't like the concept
Have you read the damn article?

Tara LJC O'Shea wrote:Learn to separate your ego from the story
Person gave you that comment because he thinks that your video sucks,just in a bit straighter and a bit more rude way than you expected.

Saying that it sucks in a nicer way won't make it more inspiring! Damn it,just get over it! If you're afraid of comments like that,well then just don't post the fucking video! I'll repeat myself once more :
Rapture** wrote:there will always appear an asshole whole leave a comment like this,as long as your stuff is in public.

Mentioned before, the fact they posted those comments and my reaction to it are two separate things. If you react the same way to both of my examples, good for you.

dazza1008 · Post by **dazza1008** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:36 pm

Godix probably wrote this quick comment...
Try editing some time, this thing fucking sucks. Drag it by amv-review.

What's amv review? Your own personal site?

And yeah, if I wanted to waste your time having you dissect this AMV I did ages ago, then I would submit it. But thanks for the offer.

EvaFan · Post by **EvaFan** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:08 pm

You know many great people are great because they never let anyone get them down.

If someone says "You suck" or insults you its not the end of the world. What they said is just their opinion and their view. You can get angry all you want and ask them why but will the end result change? Why not do something about it instead?

If your going to let what one person says about you effect you that much then you should just give up now and spare yourself the future insults. Even the best still get them from time to time. How do you think they got to where they are anyways? They didn't bitch and moan about every little detail, they got there out of shear perseverance.

And I thought people learned these kinds of things just from watching the animes with themes that fit these. Damn it’s even in Naruto for crying out loud.