Plan B for when the ORG bites it.

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Otohiko
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Post by Otohiko » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:11 pm

EVERYONE, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

FOR 30 MINUTES.




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I honestly don't see why we need a "Plan B". "Plan B" is, essentially, individual arrangement of hosting, and it's as much a plan as going grocery shopping when the sausage runs out.

Unless someone suddenly makes an ".org II", there ain't no "Plan B" to speak of. It's all just individual arrangements, and I'll make mine when the sausage is done :roll:
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Post by azulmagia » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:15 pm

I hate Plan Bs. If a given Plan B was any good, it would be Plan A.

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Post by AMV_4000 » Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:46 pm

amv4000.org

i have my hosting, its cheap and easy... i liked the days of no org almost as much as i do with the org... the org is GREAT for amvs dont get me wrong, but in the old days there werent so many amvs and amv creators, it was REALLY honestly undergound... back when being in a studio was important because that ment hosting! or when you had to host your own videos because nobody else would... back before everyone could make amvs with the click of their mouse... back before the org was hosting amvs... there was a certian rare find to an amv back then.. and only the greatest were known! there was Temple o Trunks.. there was Aluminum studios... Doki and a few others... most were unknown because the org was nothing... now it has become the biggest amv site on the internet.. and in a few years, it may go back to being non-hosted amv indexing...

animemusicvideos.org hosting amvs from 2003?-2006... R.I.P

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Post by DarkSchneider » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:30 pm

Yeah, life'll suck big time if a bunch of bone heads rat out to artists and bring their lawyers down on us. The Org has allowed me to post my AMVs in HQ style(AVIs or MPEGs) which I couldnt do on my own website. I'm happy of that. We gotta be careful of that, remember how Napster died? Too many ppl downloaded so much songs and burned entire albums outta it. What kind of negative effect would this have? It's not an actual MTV music video, its a fanwork, always has been, whether its a fanwork of the anime hes showing or the song and/or artist, or both. If this is put down, next thing ya know, the next thing that'll get challenhed is a silly thing called Fan Fiction, or whatever crazy little thing they can come up with. We ain't crooks, we are fans showing in our fanworks our appreciation and love of what we see and listen to. Besides, these days we paid to get some of the stuff we use in our AMVs, from Anime DVDs to Music CDs to Video Editing Programs. I say again loud and clear, we are not crooks! Am I right Everyone?

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Post by CelticWhisper » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:37 am

Something like this would be a perfect use for Freenet, if only it were faster.

Secure (end-to-end encryption, and GOOD, STRONG encryption, nothing half-reared like the native Windows crypto), and anonymous (relay/hop system, nobody knows where a file came from or where it's going), virtually impossible to track or monitor.

Of course, in the meantime, until Freenet's performance is optimized, there are always torrent trackers hosted in countries with sane, reasonable copyright laws. To be perfectly honest, even though I don't care for the three bands who wanted their material removed (can't remember the last time I heard a Creed song, and I don't think I've ever heard anything by Evanescence), I'm sorely tempted to anonymously (hahaha, not anymore) produce AMVs using all 3 bands' songs and upload them to as many trackers as I can find, just to make a statement. Go through plenty of proxies and such to ensure privacy and security, upload from a location other than my home, etc. You know, cover my hide.

People need to bear in mind and keep in perspective that "The Org," as you call it, is NOT the Internet's only repository for this sort of content, and it is perfectly feasible to host a ton of AMVs without any of them ever touching the Org. If this site is compromised by the litigious legions of the record industry, another, or many others, will crop up to take its place. Just like the hydra: sever one head, two more grow where the one once was.

Plus, with broadband access on the rise and prices falling, it's more and more feasible to run private servers with just one or two files from home systems using dynamic DNS and Apache, and having full control over one's content.
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Post by DriftRoot » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:36 am

CelticWhisper wrote: To be perfectly honest, even though I don't care for the three bands who wanted their material removed (can't remember the last time I heard a Creed song, and I don't think I've ever heard anything by Evanescence)
Are you living under a rock, or just not in the United States? Both? LOL, I'm actually kind of envious that you can say this. :lol:
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Post by DarkSchneider » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:41 pm

DriftRoot wrote:
CelticWhisper wrote: To be perfectly honest, even though I don't care for the three bands who wanted their material removed (can't remember the last time I heard a Creed song, and I don't think I've ever heard anything by Evanescence)
Are you living under a rock, or just not in the United States? Both? LOL, I'm actually kind of envious that you can say this. :lol:
Fortunately, I havent had ideas concerning those three bands, the only video I have that has one of those bands has long since been retured because it was lost in a computer crash. Kinda been movin on.

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Post by Undertow » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:47 pm

Purge wrote:Plan B huh - im for the move the servers to a country with dodgy copyright laws idea.
That would be one of the scandanavian countries. One of them doesn't recognise any international copyright laws. So move the server to that country and all problems are solved.

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Post by madbunny » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:04 pm

Undertow wrote:
Purge wrote:Plan B huh - im for the move the servers to a country with dodgy copyright laws idea.
That would be one of the scandanavian countries. One of them doesn't recognise any international copyright laws. So move the server to that country and all problems are solved.
Well... no.
Although this has been mentioned before I'll mention it again, because repeating stuff is fun; The law will still go after the people that own the site, and manage it even if the physical plant is offshore. Do you think that for example; kiddy porn would work that way? Just because the media sits in say south africa, or Sweden (since I'm betting most of the people that are suggesting this are thinking of pirate bay) that doesn't mean that phade, derobert and everybody else that is involved with running the site is going to move there.

Why are people still obsessing on this? It's all a known quantity. Just chill out and make some videos. Just don't use Evanescence. Or Dragon Ball Z.
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Post by Warlocket » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:39 pm

I hate to be the bearer of sad depressing truths, but I seriously doubt there is a legit Plan B...I'm not sure if pigeons or bats could carry a CD without damaging it.

Seriously, though, if the worst does come to the worst there is very little anyone can do about it. They have the copyrights, they decide what can and can't be done with their music. Obviously, there's nothing that can be done at this point without drawing even further attention to this site and only causing it to spiral down farther. The best that can be done is to keep quiet and hope that word doesn't spread.

I say just enjoy it while you still can.

While I myself enjoyed the before time in the long, long ago when making AMV's was an underground thing, I didn't have any options. It was very difficult for me to find any website with AMV's that was functioning, and I myself had no place to host them. I have to use free/cheap editing software (I'm poor!) so I really hope this site isn't shut down.

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