This is how i felt a few months ago back when i first joined hereNeon Edge wrote:Despite what the common consensus seems on here, I want to improve, I want to be part of the community and I'm going to do that, even if you elitist people don't like me because I was a former Tuber.
Pretty much exactly what he said. I still feel kinda intimidated O_o Seriously, you lot are quite scary for new people.Neon Edge wrote:I originally come from the tubes, and if it wasn't for that site I would never have found this one.
I lurked here without an account for several months (to be honest, I was intimidated) and I finally decided to join and make an account here only yesterday.
I decided to come to the org to get help and improve my videos -- something the tube didn't seem to do for me. As a lurker here on the org for several months, I learnt a helluva lot more than on my tube life.
Despite what the common consensus seems on here, I want to improve, I want to be part of the community and I'm going to do that, even if you elitist people don't like me because I was a former Tuber.
While the booch filter is waaaaay passed it's prime I mean... even Hd DVD, Dreamcast and Betamax gave up at some point! (for HD DVD it only took like a couple hours... darned sellouts) That filter's gotta go... but.Vivaldi wrote:Our membership rate decreases by almost half every year. We're going to die, and in the end it's going to be because we've isolated ourselves from hundreds if not thousands of possible new editors and told every newbie who wasn't assimilated to our community to fuck right off.
Not to talk in generalizations or anything.
thisQyot27 wrote:It also had to do with the fact that sure, the Org has crappy videos a-plenty, but actual relevant discussion of the videos was what the forum was for (as Opinions are not really set up for that) - and the forum has overall higher standards and a more critique-happy userbase. On the tube, the video's comments area was open for free discussion, and the older editors on here, rightly or not, saw it as only lending itself toward massive ego-stroking, especially since comments the video poster didn't like could get deleted and then act as if they didn't exist (rampant abuses like people cutting off video bumpers and passing off well-known AMVs as their own creations also didn't help the perception). The relative ease of which one can go on the tube and find crappy content is also one of the reasons AMV making itself has gotten much more maligned in the past few years - as that ANN Answerman segment a month or two ago proved with some of the responses given, or the way the article on TVTropes for FanVid is.
It's a question of culture - the tube allows the culture to form and solidify on every video posted, whereas it's extremely hard on here to engage in the community without using the forum, or IRC (not saying it can't be done, of course, but out in the main catalog users are relatively isolated from one another; the Journal function and buddy system to facilitate notices really being the only vehicles for that there).
Frankly, as long as members of the Org's community are still heading up AMV rooms and contests and events at the big-name national conventions, I don't think it can die. The site will change with time, but there's still going to be a core userbase that refuses to leave. It's that which creates the community, not the popularity it receives. We had our moment in the sun, for several years we were considered the standard-bearer of the hobby, and whether we have passed that torch onto the tube or we now look and act more like the Academy I don't know, and honestly, I don't really care.
... bring up points that are worth condensing.Otohiko wrote:A lot of people have blamed "cliques" and the "Inner Circle" for being self-defeating to the hobby generally and the .org specifically. These are by no means innocent, but in fact the "Inner Circle" is about the size of the community that the .org originally began with in the late 90s, and far more diverse - we're now well past being simply North American, although a lot of the dedicated .orgsters' life still revolves around the North American con scene. Looking at core participation, the .org is every bit as healthy and probably healthier than it was at any point.
Time to sing our song!BasharOfTheAges wrote: Who runs the contests? We do. Who wins the contests? We do. Who make the videos people download and repost over and over on <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/v ... ochsack</a>? we do. The 'org is still the part of the community that matters. The 'org has standards. These standards and respect for the hobby are propagated through every AMV 101 panel, every contest that rewards merit and skill, every boundary pushing video, and every discussion that lifts the hobby above a kindergärtner's finger painting exercise.
not of any relevance, but don't you think your taking the ego trip a little far?? lol. I mean do you really have these stats, or just a general feeling? While you can say this person comes from the org. It's rather tough to say this person comes from YT. So tough that I don't believe those stats exist. YT doesn't have a really good indexing system so it would be tough to pen down just how many of your entrants DO come from YT.... You could ask them I guess, 'who do you prove allegiance too, check box here'. But I don't remember that EVER being on an amv application lol.BasharOfTheAges wrote:Who runs the contests? We do. Who wins the contests? We do. Who make the videos people download and repost over and over on <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/v ... ochsack</a>? we do.
Who are the people that make up the viewing community? I'd say they're con-goers far more then the general public. And I'd say the people who "represent" youtube are the ones that don't host here. Yea, it's pretty echo-chamber-y of an argument, but I have a headache, i've had a tough day and i'm in an important class right now, so i'm not going to refute points on a sentence by sentence basis. People that respect a hobby and put the effort into it and treat it as more than just a way to be part of the "me too" mentality tend to cluster. The org contains this cluster for AMVs - you can't rationally dispute that.Knowname wrote:not of any relevance, but don't you think your taking the ego trip a little far?? lol. I mean do you really have these stats, or just a general feeling? While you can say this person comes from the org. It's rather tough to say this person comes from YT. So tough that I don't believe those stats exist. YT doesn't have a really good indexing system so it would be tough to pen down just how many of your entrants DO come from YT.... You could ask them I guess, 'who do you prove allegiance too, check box here'. But I don't remember that EVER being on an amv application lol.BasharOfTheAges wrote:Who runs the contests? We do. Who wins the contests? We do. Who make the videos people download and repost over and over on <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/v ... ochsack</a>? we do.
In fact since con information isn't widely spreaded on YT I don't know if ANY of them enter cons. one sided argument is.... one sided, my friend :/
Hear hear...BasharOfTheAges wrote: Membership doesn't make you good, it doesn't even make you want to be good, but it's a statement of some sort that you take things seriously - or at least it should be.
I agreed all the way with this post. It's like the Org could be famous, but IMO, due to copyright issues (mostly, or even to expenses due to bigger requirements in disk and bandwidth), there is a wall that cannot be passed over.Kionon wrote:I don't want to get nicer, I don't want to get more accessible, and I certainly don't want to advertise. I make a point to never include links to the org on anything I post to hosatchel. If anything, with the knowledge that the Org's original mission is impossible, we should be more inward looking.
But it's not as if anyone listens to my ramblings anyhow.
