Kai Stromler wrote:While hosting space is not free, it is not generally as expensive, byte for byte, as bandwidth. The .org may have difficulties because of the popular videos that we have currently; adding a relatively trivial number of videos that nobody, statistically, is going to watch is not going to weigh in on that.
Collectively, maybe Kionion has a point and this isn't sustainable. But if this is the case, the damage is already done, and adding this particular brick or barrowload of bricks is not pushing us past any magical tipping point.
If true, than why are streaming sites so successful? why do companies give their content away over their bandwidth (with perhaps an unnecessary ad or two) for free? That is true, but thinking that we can't give it away and still profit is so obviously not true ^_^. Thinking about this here is the reason I think this is (it may not be right, but...) I believe the content simply is worth more than the bandwidth. Users should get free content as sort of an advertising budget. We shouldn't be charged for this stuff it should all be free! That is, if the alternative is to charge. Our problem is that our alternative, we don't have an alternative, we don't have a profit to be made. So even if we don't charge for bandwidth our content cannot profit as we don't sell anything
no profits = site goes down. Quite frankly I'm surprised at how successful the donut has been thus far already! Somebody's gotta be hurting that's just the way the world works.
ANYWAY my only point here is, our space (as a PRIVATE venture, not a PUBLIC COMPANY) here is MANY TIMES more finite than Yewtoob's, we can afford a few jokers, a few mishaps and badly encoded videos, but until recently the org has been ruled by the 'elite' and 'stuck up' crowd, pretty much all uploads were mp4s and encoded at least decently... who's the one with the 'did you forget to encode you audio?' link in their sig? Scintilla? Zarxrax? lol I snicker at that every time I see it :/ not only is that a non-issue now but it's also basically obsolete with all the mp4s out! Well anyway, such a waste of space
the donut could freely exist with all the hoity toity mp4s and even scrubbed up (non-hd) xvids, but. if our crowd is to change you can expect the rules to change as well. Do you want that?
I'd like a graph comparing the cost of streaming to the cost of actual hosting downloads. Maybe non-donators (who most likely do not know how to properly encode.. not like it's hard or anything) should be stuck with just streams while donators get downloads?
This is what I meant about this being of relevance. It's all old school vs. new school and we need to change or else face some pretty mean consequences.
Kai Stromler wrote:adding a relatively trivial number of videos that nobody, statistically, is going to watch is not going to weigh in on that.
I'm not so sure, have you looked at the typical 15yr old fangirl these days?? lol they don't care about technicalities all they want is their favorite scene in an amv :/.
Besides I was impressed by some of her stuff
I'm not saying this to be mean or rude (at first I was :/... well the encoding leaves room to improve, all of it being wmv and taking up 2x as much space as an mp4, but there is potential in the one I saw). I'm just doing this cuz I don't want to see this service taken advantage of. This is the whole thing. This user comes in with 200+ videos then maybe another, then maybe another. The space is a problem, but thats the least of our worries. How much ATTENTION is all this gonna get us? How long until the big lawyers turn their attention to us? Not fun
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I'm kind of sad though, she's signed on the last few days but hadn't uploaded anything
one part of me is sad but the other part of me thinks we may have dodged a bullet... That may just be the opening salvo. Seems many have started to migrate here from YT due to this mess. I however, was very polite (but straightforward in my qcs), I gave 2 ops with great information and didn't say anything about posting videos just talking about that video and recomending others like it (Aluminum Studios, Ermac's FY vids, Moonlight Soldier and Moonie). Only time I was a little pushy was when I QCed one saying this site was made to catalog all entrys so PLEASE don't u/l all 200 videos but please catalog all videos you have made. I also suggested direct/ indirect links for the others as you cannot take down local links. Unfortunately she hasn't done anything for the last two days :/ lol and the site uploads reflect that
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If you do not think so... you will DIE
But any way mostly you just had a big ole 'not downloadable' and had to share it on p2p/ irc or torrent.
