DVD Rips

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:59 pm

how is it irrelivant :| this is a thread about dvd ripping. Someone mentioned DeCSS. I explained what DeCSS was. You said I was incorrect. Paradoxically, your post was the incorrect one :\

pfft change the subject to fair use now will you WILL YOU
:P

V3n0m · Post by **V3n0m** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:23 am

But It's not a copy or as we like to say "backup" it's a re-edited peice of work created by us, i was wondering in school yesterday if i'd have to go through any legal mumbo jumbo to sell DVD Quality vids ripped on DVD's to consumers, i dont think i should but still... damn i still need a damn privacy policy also

Synthangel · Post by **Synthangel** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:11 pm

Errr...you DO realize that selling vids to people is highly frowned upon here?

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:44 pm

I'm no lawyer but from what I gather amvs falls in a legal grey area since it's a non profit work of fan art. I dunno about selling them or how legal that is.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:09 pm

RadicalEd0 wrote:I'm no lawyer but from what I gather amvs falls in a legal grey area since it's a non profit work of fan art. I dunno about selling them or how legal that is.

Just like fansubs, there is no legal gray area in copyright law. The "Legal Gray Area" is a myth. The Berne Copyright Convention agreed that it is illegal to distribute footage without permission from the distribution rights holder for only those purposes expressed between those parties involved.

So far, backing up a personally owned DVD onto your harddrive for private use is not illegal, though the exact definitions regarding this are in dispute. However, distributing footage, sounds, etc, taken from a DVD or analog recording to third parties, in any form, and any amount, without permission from the copyright holders is in breach of U.S. copyright law.

In the case of AMVs, it would seem that most anime companies don't care to utilize their legal option as rights holders to stop people from using footage to make AMVs (most likely because it is decent advertising for their titles at conventions and such). An AMV creator cannot "own" a video they editted, and can legally only claim to have some rather fuzzy rights associated with the format of the edits within the video.

As for selling AMVs on DVD, etc, it is quite wrong as it pushes the willingness of companies to overlook AMVs as a breach of their copyright.

Pierrot Le Fou · Post by **Pierrot Le Fou** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 4:19 pm

It's really a situation like SW fan films; we exist on the razor's edge of
the temperment of the rights holders. But like Freako said in a different
thread, we probably have more to fear from the RIAA.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 4:30 pm

Pierrot Le Fou wrote:It's really a situation like SW fan films; we exist on the razor's edge of
the temperment of the rights holders. But like Freako said in a different
thread, we probably have more to fear from the RIAA.

Lucas has openly admitted the contributions that SW fan films provide to the community. He even went so far as to start a competition where he personally give awards to SW fan films.

Pierrot Le Fou · Post by **Pierrot Le Fou** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 1:53 pm

Lucas has been very tolerant and helpful to the SW fan film community,
but what I meant to say was that he could [however unlikely] decide one
day to shut them down for good.