IC Source tiering?

[NS]

Bitching at the source choices is also allowed because sometimes they're complete bullshit.

Black sheep is a great source, shut up.

[Kitsuner]

This entire thread is tierable.

[SilkAMV]

This entire thread is tierable.

GOD Tier - God
High Tier - Arashinome (in all likelyhood)
Mid Tier - Kirby, Captain Falcon, Mario, Donkey Kong
Low Tier - Your mom
Shit Tier - This thread

[gotegenks]

Shit Tier - Elfen Lied

The fuck are you smoking?

well i personally hated that show's art, but i just put it there as an example, couldn't think of anything else for that tier.

Why didn't you quote any of my shit? I'm really curious as to what you think. I really am, because I'm kinda baffled, to be honest, at your mindset that just because somebody uses old anime they should have to "play" An IC in a lower fucking tier, that's fucking stupid.

i didn't think it was necessary, i argued how you could like ANYTHING as long as it was edited well and you come back with appreciation, which i answered in my last reply >_<

again, even if this were implemented, NOBODY WOULD HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. it'd just be an optional little set of guidelines for the ICers to agree upon beforehand.

I hate how i'm being bashed for "disliking" older anime when i only mentioned older anime because TYPICALLY it has worse animation and is harder to edit (typically)
You don't have to, you CAN though. If you wanted to even the playing field. If you're just going to come back with "IT'S ON HOW IT'S EDITED" or "source doesn't matter if the editor is good"

if you're equally familiar with Rurouni Kenshin and Samurai Champloo and you IC your own clone then the clone using samurai champloo is most likely going to make a better video and more entertaining and anybody that judged the ic would say that the samurai champloo video won. Samurai Champloo has more editable resources to it. The fluidity of the animation and the camera movements. Some sources have aspects that make them easier to make better videos with, like similar images or stances or repeats of scenes in different locations or built in camera movements or broader views or zooms or probably a million other things that i don't know about or can't remember. some sources > others and sure, a better editor can pwn a worse editor that uses a good source by editing a "bad" source, a good editor can make a bad source look good, just like a bad editor can make a good source look bad. It depends on the editor. But a lot of times in an ic the competitors are pretty even in skill level. The bad source is gonna hinder the average editor against the average editor that picks a good source.

A lot of potential unfairness while judging depends on taste too though, maybe the way to go with tiering isn't really animation superiority, maybe categories based on genre or tiers based on usage (idk how we'd get data)

Even if this were implemented it would be TOTALLY OPTIONAL. I'm not trying to take any sources away from anybody i'm just suggesting an idea that could produce some fun little ics with way underused sources. Maybe up the popularity of underused source. I HIGHLY doubt that would ever happen. Even if the Org went so far as to do this crap people would end up ignoring it. Even if they didn't ignore it it's not like there would be enough ics to make unpopular sources popular, and even if there WERE enough ics, the majority of ics here are never uploaded from what i understand.

ICs aren't really big or competitive enough to implement something so complex though. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about it.

[AaronAMV]

holy shit srsness

[EvaFan]

I've never judged for an IC before but if I did, it would just be whichever vid I enjoyed the most gets picked. So therefor if your source animation is better (I consider it a part of presentation) then you have a slight advantage. The advantage itself would be practically indifferent though because for only 2 hours or so worth of editing, the actual editing in that time frame would be the most important element to the amv to determine its enjoyment. It would be a different story if both editors were given any amount of time they need to finish the source song. Obviously the one with better animation quality would have a bigger advantage then, even then its still not much cause enjoyment plays on too many factors.

Short version: The amount and quality of work done in 2 hours heavily outweighs the differences in animation qualities between the editors sources for it to even matter.

Just my 2cents

[Taite]

Putting anime into tiers based on how good their animation is is completely subjective, and a lot of people would disagree on what anime goes where. Like the whole Elfen Lied thing. A lot of people might disagree. I don't think we necessarily need tiers. The "judge" or whomever decides the anime/song/etc. can just say "K, rules: This song and an anime from 2003-2003 or something." To say "Yeah, this song, and an anime that doesn't have crap animation" is kind of stupid.
If you wanted to edit an IC where the animation quality was almost equal, the guidelines in the IC could say "an anime from this time period." However, every anime has completely different animation (unless you're looking at anime coming from the same studio or whatever) and you're never going to be able to find two that are very similar in quality even if they are from the same time period. Everything about this topic is subjective, and can be debated forever.
Bottom line is, you can't separate anime into tiers based on the quality of their animation.

And let the people ICing or whatever decide the guidelines. If we were to say "OKAY, All ICs now have to be done like this" then it would get boring fast. That's why the guidelines vary for every IC. And it's fun that way. That's why there is no definite definition for how ICs are done.

A small part of this thread is also the debate over whether people judge based on animation. Some do a little, some not, but it's not that big a deal. Some people can be slightly biased and say "yeah, they're both equally great editing wise, but I'm leaning toward this one because I like the animation was better" or whaaatever (It can happen, but usually in this case hard observing of both videos is what decides it, at least for me. It can be various things), but in general, quality of the animation is never a big factor in the judging process, unless you have a shitty judge. Judging based solely on animation is completely asinine and defeats the purpose of ICs.
Have you ever ICed someone and had this happen: You used Kenshin and your opponent used Champloo. Then the judge said they were both incredibly good but he decided your opponent won. And then you thought "Wow, of course. The animation of Champloo is better, so of course I fucking lost!" No. If you knew you were going to lose because of the quality of your anime, then you wouldn't have used it.
I think that what anime the judge likes more would be more of an issue. It's more likely to lose because your judge hates Kenshin and loves Champloo, rather than because the judge prefers Champloo's animation over Kenshin. Or maybe the judge didn't see Kenshin, but did see Champloo.
There is nothing you can do about how a judge judges, however, and there is no way to improve the fairness of an IC. Winning or losing is all dependent on your editing.
All in all,

The amount and quality of work done in 2 hours heavily outweighs the differences in animation qualities between the editors sources for it to even matter.

So this topic should no longer be debated. If you have this issue with your ICs, then it's most likely a someone who has the issue.
Oh, and by the way, I don't think the animation of Kenshin sucks. I rather like it.

Yeah, just my opinion on this whole thing. As a last note, there's not a wrong or right way to do ICs. You do it your way. have it your way!

[dreamawake]

THIS THREAD

SO GODDAMN RETARDED

JESUS I THINK I'M HAVING AN ANEURYSM OF STUPIDITY

[Nya-chan Production]

Shit Tier - Elfen Lied

The fuck are you smoking?

well i personally hated that show's art, but i just put it there as an example, couldn't think of anything else for that tier.

See, you're just biased and can't imagine someone would rate it nicely with good editing.

Let me say this - if I get well edited video with "" (or insert any (old/classic?) source you can't get in bigger resolution than 320x240 - with luck), I'll put it over generic Karas "random cuts" IC anytime.

[Enigma]

This entire thread is tierable.

GOD Tier - God
High Tier - Arashinome (in all likelyhood)
Mid Tier - Kirby, Captain Falcon, Mario, Donkey Kong
Low Tier - Your mom
Shit Tier - This thread