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Post by AmazonMandy » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:30 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:This is a very touchy subject to begin with and frankly even though in principal the concept is valid, it hold no water and thus should no even be discussed further.

The fact of the matter is since everyone is busy screaming about their ideas and footage being "Stolen", I really wonder what the real artists and companies thing of us stealing, using and modifying their footage... Quite frankly they could be using the same words and attitudes towards us just the same as we are against others, and they have a lot better reason to and I wonder how we would react to them saying the same thing as some are here…

In the end, we are using and manipulation footage without permission ourselves.. Technically it's not right for others to steal the images we use and manipulate then, but because we do it ourselves, we really have no right or obligations to accuse others of doing so to work that is already someone else’s to begin with

Morally I agree it’s still wrong, but hopefully most creators are honorable enough amongst themselves not to do it as we are in no position to do anything against .

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Someone just said the same thing you did, in much less words. a-m-v.org isn't about the legalities of making amvs, and neither is this topic. If you think its so illegal/unethical to create them, why are you here? Because we enjoy creating this form of art (yeah thats right, i do think amvs are just another form of fanart).

And you are right, MOST creators ARE honorable enough not to do it, but unfortunatly, there are alot of people who aren't, and who do use the footage and take credit for the hard work and creative efforts of the rest of us here.

And the bottom line is, it is a direct violatoin of SEVERAL of AMV.orgs rules , as Arigatomya pointed out in this thread a few days ago: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... c&start=15 . If a video violates the rules on the site that hosts it, why SHOULDN'T it be deleted?
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Post by AMV_4000 » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:39 pm

AmazonMandy wrote:
Vlad G Pohnert wrote:This is a very touchy subject to begin with and frankly even though in principal the concept is valid, it hold no water and thus should no even be discussed further.

The fact of the matter is since everyone is busy screaming about their ideas and footage being "Stolen", I really wonder what the real artists and companies thing of us stealing, using and modifying their footage... Quite frankly they could be using the same words and attitudes towards us just the same as we are against others, and they have a lot better reason to and I wonder how we would react to them saying the same thing as some are here…

In the end, we are using and manipulation footage without permission ourselves.. Technically it's not right for others to steal the images we use and manipulate then, but because we do it ourselves, we really have no right or obligations to accuse others of doing so to work that is already someone else’s to begin with

Morally I agree it’s still wrong, but hopefully most creators are honorable enough amongst themselves not to do it as we are in no position to do anything against .

Vlad
Someone just said the same thing you did, in much less words. a-m-v.org isn't about the legalities of making amvs, and neither is this topic. If you think its so illegal/unethical to create them, why are you here? Because we enjoy creating this form of art (yeah thats right, i do think amvs are just another form of fanart).

And you are right, MOST creators ARE honorable enough not to do it, but unfortunatly, there are alot of people who aren't, and who do use the footage and take credit for the hard work and creative efforts of the rest of us here.

And the bottom line is, it is a direct violatoin of SEVERAL of AMV.orgs rules , as Arigatomya pointed out in this thread a few days ago: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... c&start=15 . If a video violates the rules on the site that hosts it, why SHOULDN'T it be deleted?
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Post by AmazonMandy » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:40 pm

wow...there's an intelligent arguement.
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Post by DrngdKreationz » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:58 pm

ok I think im gonna throw my 2 cents in here after all. I would see it pretty wrong if someone tries to pull of someone elses work as their own. (as discussed above we don't try to take credit for making the Anime in the video). first off its pretty weak to have to take edited clips from another video. second things like the work i did in olin or AD did in virtua anime requires alot of custom work. and thats the work i would be taking credit for if any.

I personally would feel pretty pissed if somone tried to pass work like that off as their own.

and that pic is classic!

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Post by xTrunkZx » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:17 pm

Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:Why should we care though?

I mean, I dunno you guys think what you want, I can't change opinions, I'm not out to. Just seems to me like we're stealing an artists hardwork ourselves and they havnt shut us down yet.

Why should we shut someone else down for stealing ours?

It's hypocritical either way you look at it.

not really... we bought it. giving us rights to do whatever we want locally. its when we upload thats where the problems start

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Post by xTrunkZx » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:20 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:This is a very touchy subject to begin with and frankly even though in principal the concept is valid, it hold no water and thus should no even be discussed further.

The fact of the matter is since everyone is busy screaming about their ideas and footage being "Stolen", I really wonder what the real artists and companies thing of us stealing, using and modifying their footage... Quite frankly they could be using the same words and attitudes towards us just the same as we are against others, and they have a lot better reason to and I wonder how we would react to them saying the same thing as some are here…

In the end, we are using and manipulation footage without permission ourselves.. Technically it's not right for others to steal the images we use and manipulate then, but because we do it ourselves, we really have no right or obligations to accuse others of doing so to work that is already someone else’s to begin with

Morally I agree it’s still wrong, but hopefully most creators are honorable enough amongst themselves not to do it as we are in no position to do anything against .

Vlad
vlad we are but a little spec on their radar. Their true enemy are those distro's who release dvd rips. I doubt they even know the bulk of us exist.

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Post by gammer55 » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:27 pm

You know it depends thow i mean if someone where to take your clips that werent using filters you cant do much because wouldnt u say that doing that is the same as what u did to get the footage i mean u stole the clips off a dvd or from the internet so i mean stealing clips is not really a good forum topic if any thing u should confront the person who stole the clips and just ask him to put your name on the video also (only if u used special filters or a certain clip sequence) and it also depends if they just took one part from your video like 15 sec clip or if they took your vid and just added new music well ne way its really something u have to confront your self to the copier.
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Post by AmazonMandy » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:55 pm

Cripes Gammer, use some punctuation.

And why should it fall into the lap of the creator to confront the copier?

The copier is breaking a-m-v.org rules, so if they WANT to use the footage so bad, why not approach the creator of the vid BEFORE they make it, get permission, and then give them due credit. Otherwise, just rip your own dang DVDs.
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Post by DrngdKreationz » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:59 pm

AmazonMandy wrote:Cripes Gammer, use some punctuation.

And why should it fall into the lap of the creator to confront the copier?

The copier is breaking a-m-v.org rules, so if they WANT to use the footage so bad, why not approach the creator of the vid BEFORE they make it, get permission, and then give them due credit. Otherwise, just rip your own dang DVDs.
reason being.. If copying is noticed WHEN a vid that has another AMVs clips is found. (which means the editing has already been done if its been uploaded to the org) then its up to the creator to say something to them.

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Post by Pyle » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:11 pm

I feel unqualified to post here, as I'm guilty of taknig clips to create an FFX video :roll:

To me, there is difference between stesaling 'clips' and stealing 'edits'. Edits are scene changes, matched to the song. Clips are just footage, no more, no less. I would kick myself a lot more if I had stolen edits, but the clips were long enough so that there was no scene changes in them.

Therefor, I'm Mr. Perfect, k?

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