How dry...we wouldn't be seeing many videos being made then...moooooo wrote:I was trying to say don't make videos unless your idea is totally original. Sorry that it came off that way.
Experimentation vs. Satire (Dinosaurs vs. Turtles)
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dwchang
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No, I know I was agreeing with you about the fact videos aren't as original and then supplementing with my own feelings (that you should do whatever makes you happy). So in theory, I was agreeing with your opinoin, but at the same time disagreeing since it's a hobby and people should feel free to make what they choose (just as you have the freedom not to like it).moooooo wrote:I was trying to say don't make videos unless your idea is totally original. Sorry that it came off that way.dwchang wrote:Just for the record, although I agree with moooo(however many o's there are) about videos recently, by no means am I saying there is a "right" or "wrong" way to make an AMV. I think we should just make whatever "vision" or concept we "see" and have fun doing it. A the same time, even if it's been done, I have seen a number of videos do it (to be frank), better. Basically what I am getting at is don't limit yourself with constraints. Just do what you want.dwchang wrote:I for the most part agree with KMV about videos getting more stale and I do applaud the Dinosaur's for their (different) vision.
This coming from a man who has two Escaflowne (Vaughn/Hitomi) Romance videos...because...y'know...there aren't any.
I am teh original!!!!111!!
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Oh shit, what I was trying to say was that I wasnt trying to say dont make videos unless your idea is totally original. My bad. I should have edited the post, I was up all night. Sorry man.dwchang wrote:No, I know I was agreeing with you about the fact videos aren't as original and then supplementing with my own feelings (that you should do whatever makes you happy). So in theory, I was agreeing with your opinoin, but at the same time disagreeing since it's a hobby and people should feel free to make what they choose (just as you have the freedom not to like it).moooooo wrote:I was trying to say don't make videos unless your idea is totally original. Sorry that it came off that way.dwchang wrote:Just for the record, although I agree with moooo(however many o's there are) about videos recently, by no means am I saying there is a "right" or "wrong" way to make an AMV. I think we should just make whatever "vision" or concept we "see" and have fun doing it. A the same time, even if it's been done, I have seen a number of videos do it (to be frank), better. Basically what I am getting at is don't limit yourself with constraints. Just do what you want.dwchang wrote:I for the most part agree with KMV about videos getting more stale and I do applaud the Dinosaur's for their (different) vision.
This coming from a man who has two Escaflowne (Vaughn/Hitomi) Romance videos...because...y'know...there aren't any
I am teh original!!!!111!!
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As I understand the discussion so far, most people (well, those participating in the thread anyway) want all new videos to be as original as possible - but they don't want the demand of originality to come at the price of potentially stifling later work.
For example: A newbie may make some terrific and original videos at some time in the future, but before they get there the community has to endure some dross first. Given the choice most people seem willing to take the chance on future good videos rather than simply stifling the newbie into never making another video again.
Nobel sentiment.
Was Kamoc's video satire or mockery? Unsurprisingly, this is inconclusive. However in context of the above it might not matter - consider what happens if the word "dross" is substituted with "mockery" and "original" is substituted with "satirical".
But there is still a problem: what happens when the mockery (or satire) is stifling? Being so subjective how would we even know, and what should be done about it?
In the societies I know of, the object of satire (or mockery) tends to receive further support and encouragement so that they don't give up. At the same time there are lots of subjective fuzzy lines and if a satirist crosses one they receive flack. The satirist for their part tends to look at flack as a volume thing: if they don't take too much then it was probably OK, but if everyone jumps on them then they realise that they did indeed go too far.
Perhaps the same model applies here?
For example: A newbie may make some terrific and original videos at some time in the future, but before they get there the community has to endure some dross first. Given the choice most people seem willing to take the chance on future good videos rather than simply stifling the newbie into never making another video again.
Nobel sentiment.
Was Kamoc's video satire or mockery? Unsurprisingly, this is inconclusive. However in context of the above it might not matter - consider what happens if the word "dross" is substituted with "mockery" and "original" is substituted with "satirical".
But there is still a problem: what happens when the mockery (or satire) is stifling? Being so subjective how would we even know, and what should be done about it?
In the societies I know of, the object of satire (or mockery) tends to receive further support and encouragement so that they don't give up. At the same time there are lots of subjective fuzzy lines and if a satirist crosses one they receive flack. The satirist for their part tends to look at flack as a volume thing: if they don't take too much then it was probably OK, but if everyone jumps on them then they realise that they did indeed go too far.
Perhaps the same model applies here?
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