AMV panels

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:34 pm

Oh yea, i was actually going to comment...

I think there is a very important observation about amv panels and the audience... 90% of the audience don't care about making them. They come to watch amvs and or meet their favorite creators. then 5% of the audience (or 100% if you go to acen) are already editors and just want to hang out.

The 10% of those who actually want to edit will sit through the boring stuff. The rest of them will get bored fast. I'm all for workshop type panels but I think if a con is only going to have a single AMV panel, it should be a general "this i an amv, lets show some amvs" type stuff.

When I did sacanime I wanted to do a workshop but while i was putting it together i was getting bored with the content. I ended up showing some of my videos followed by some of my favorite videos (which happen to be by my friends because those are the only videos I really watch anymore). After i had shown some of my favorite videos i had a ton of questions. Unfortunately, to get through all the different genres and types of videos out there, I had very little time for questions.

I think the ideal panel would be to have 30min to 1 hour to show videos and spend another hour answering questions and showing more specific examples as they come up.

Pwolf

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:53 pm

dwchang wrote:I'll probably be flamed for this, but in my experience most 'panels' aren't useful to the audience and are just an editor (or group of editors) showing (mostly) their own videos. It's more of a circle jerk then a panel per se.

With that said, I have been to a number of panels where the focus is on the AUDIENCE and what THEY WANT, but they're few and far between. I *try* to run a similar panel with very few videos actually shown, but well...I'm not in the audience so for all I know, they're also failures.

*puts on flameproof suit*

The TYHMG Panel will not only challenge, but uproot this standard for AMV panels.

godix · Post by **godix** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:03 pm

AFAIK panels are for friends in the community to hang out together and get free passes into the con. If there's another point to them I certainly haven't figured it out. I mean you aren't going to teach the basics of AMVs in half an hour, ESPECIALLY when you're the only one with a computer. As for showing videos, that's nice and all but is it really a panel when all the host says is 'Hey, look at this one'?

OropherZero · Post by **OropherZero** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:24 pm

godix wrote: mean you aren't going to teach the basics of AMVs in half an hour, ESPECIALLY when you're the only one with a computer.

I tried premiere in an hour and failed

workshops = don't work.

Anyway I had a better audience from my 2006 'What is an AMV' panel than my 2007 'AMV styles' one. :/ In the latter I just showed AMVs from different countries with different editting styles and adding in comments here and then, at the time I just cbf explaining things in a lot of detail like a normal panel.

No idea what I'm going to do for my next one in January yet =| Maybe I should drag Prodigi into doing a 'AMV elitism, where does that leave you? one XD

But nah on a serious note I might go back to the basics, there is a local editor who for the past 2 years been entering the main competition and Iron Editor and is obsessed with the whole idea of 'repetition in AMVs' like copying and pasting parts of the timeline where the song chorus repeats. I really would like to save him before he does it a third year unless there is a possible way to make it work?

godix · Post by **godix** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:32 pm

OropherZero wrote:But nah on a serious note I might go back to the basics, there is a local editor who for the past 2 years been entering the main competition and Iron Editor and is obsessed with the whole idea of 'repetition in AMVs' like copying and pasting parts of the timeline where the song chorus repeats. I really would like to save him before he does it a third year unless there is a possible way to make it work?

I have seen that repetition idea done well at least once before. <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 7449">Deja Vu</a>. Although saying it can be done isn't quite the same thing as saying that particular guy can do it.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:39 pm

leahzero wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:Nessephanie, Ileia, Moonie and peropero have a panel where they show their favorite videos made by female editors.

...

ZephyrStar did a panel about 3D design, and he worked AMVs into it.
Any footage of these panels available?

I have some footage of a panel ZephyrStar and I did at ACen 2007 (shot with ZS' camcorder), which covered 3D character animation, motion tracking, and original animation/artwork in general.

It's kind of boring and I'm not too sure how informative it'd be, but I don't think there'd be any problem in posting it...

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:40 pm

trythil wrote: It's kind of boring and I'm not too sure how informative it'd be, but I don't think there'd be any problem in posting it...

Well, at least my part is boring. Unless you get off on wireframes and computer vision, in which case you probably belong in the computer vision department at my college.

Fall_Child42 · Post by **Fall_Child42** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:09 am

trythil wrote:
trythil wrote: It's kind of boring and I'm not too sure how informative it'd be, but I don't think there'd be any problem in posting it...
Well, at least my part is boring. Unless you get off on wireframes and computer vision, in which case you probably belong in the computer vision department at my college.

Two problems with that panel

A: it kinda went above most peoples heads

B: the only people in the audience were us.
(thank you non advertised hide in a corner AMV panel room.)

The Wired Knight · Post by **The Wired Knight** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:17 am

There are also a lot that tend to showcase videos too. Generally (at least amongst the panels I've gone to) most creators only show maybe one or two videos that are theirs unless we're talking a workshop. A workshop one would reasonably expect to see ONLY the panelist's videos because that's what they're most familiar with in explaining (otherwise it would be a panel of "let's guess how some guy did this.")

DriftRoot · Post by **DriftRoot** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:34 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote: I've been toying with the idea of more involved panels, but after a point an entire programming track of AMV-related things draws the ire and drama of the cosplay folks.

Given how many cosplay-centric events are at Anime Boston, you’d think that faction wouldn’t spazz out until AMV events had drawn even with them. They get a permanent cosplay HQ, all kinds of how-to panels, several types of cosplay showcases (the masquerade being the biggest)…why can’t there be one room somewhere dedicated to AMV stuff? It might cut down on the number of people who attend the AMV 101/201 panel just to see AMVs, if they could get their AMV fix at more appropriate times during the con.

Ok, I'm done complaining now. I realize there are a lot of logistical issues with expanding the nonexistant AMV track at AB (kudos for adding a second panel this year), but every time I see "drat those cosplayers, ruining all our fun" it causes me to think negative thoughts.