What about the crap on the org?

[Otohiko]

Roll on.




I think the real problem here also is that we're looking at AMVs on the .org and on hosatchel as products, whereas the real difference lies in the social processes that surround AMVs on the two places. The .org and "high" AMVing in general has a pretty dynamic, but also complicated, culture around it. This culture is in some ways pretty jaded by technical quality. People here bother to have meta-discussions like this about what is good and why we're good. There are facilities within the .org culture for that and many other things that have put a lot of value on quality control - a lot of which boils down to competition.

Then we go to the other side where quantity rules over not so much quality, but rather depth of community involvement. The thing that bothers me is the "booch" part of boochsack - it's all about throwing out your very own video for all to see, whether they see it or not, forget if it's good or not. Feedback mechanisms there are much more simplified and instant - but lack any sort of depth. AMVing aside, some may notice that professionalism, technical ability or any tangible sort of quality rarely correlates to popularity on that site. My dad often gets pissed that his own (very professional) performances of original music on boochsack get watched less than clips of some kid in his basement failing horribly to mimic popular Metallica riffs. The fact is that youtube's environment in no way encourages technical or creative feats, in a way that the .org does.


But that doesn't make any one environment neccesarily "worse". One thing to consider is that nowadays you don't have to trade tapes or CDs, or wait 15 hours on your 14.4 modem to see the latest AMVs, whether they're good or crap. This is a trend that has in some ways made things "worse" whether you look at the .org or youtube. One is jaded, the other is spoiled. Both are equally "guilty" of decimating viewer's attention spans and screwing with expectations. When it comes to expectations, the .org has a case of hyper-expectation, youtube suffers from hypo-expectation. Both, I think, are potentially bad for the hobby.

[Jasta85]

there are a lot of bad amvs on the org, i'll be honest about that, i've seen plenty of em. however the org also has top quality amvs and you can easily search for them in a variety of ways. the org also has generally a more mature and dedicated community the YT.

people come to the org to have a good way to store their amvs and to share them with likeminded people. people who just want to see lots of hits and stars put them on YT

[godix]

So the question is, why do you think we never get people showing up saying most of what is here is crap? I can think of a few plausible explenations.

And here I thought I've been vocal enough my opinion of the average org editor and their work was well known. Well, since apparently my beliefs haven't sunk in I guess I'll repeat them.

YOU SUCK

Yes, that's right. You. Whoever happens to reading this message. You suck the sweat off a dead donkeys balls. I've seen four year olds drawing stick figures fucking that looked better than your videos.

Everything else is really quite pointless considering we still can't objectively say what good is outside of those technical merits.

Not to actually start this argument or anything but taste isn't COMPLETELY subjective. There are general trends to what people like and don't like. Certain styles, editing, scene choices, etc. tend to appeal to us. As an offhand example, if you do a video where you mix cutting to the beat and cutting off the beat most people would think the cuts are wrong or jarring. Not all could say exactly what they find wrong do but even so it'd bother them. OTOH a japanese person might not find it jarring since their traditional music isn't nearly as focused on beats like western cultures music is. So I suspect it's cultural conditioning in action but the end result is that while taste is subjective it isn't entirely so.

As far as the tube goes, I just view it as proof that the biblical God is a fucking moron. He went to all the trouble of cursing mankind with multiple languages because of the Tower of Babel. He didn't need to bother. The internet proves that if you allow people from literally around the world to meet and discuss things in almost real time then the best you can expect is 'A/S/L? Wht ur name? LOL'. Hardly deity threatening stuff here. Yet another case of a technological miracle failing to live up to it's promise because man is a petty shallow creature.

[1arururu]

I'm one of these Noobs, I have always watched the org for many years now, finally got a computer that is able to handle editing, and I am working on getting the Better programs, and learning how to use them to make better AMV's. I must say with the ease of many websites upload capabilities, there is little use of FTP anymore (at least how it's used here)

I know my videos aren't outstanding, but I have put alot of effort in what I have created with the few programs and little knowlage of what programs I have. Recently I was told about Virtualdub, I went out downloaded it and am learning to use it. at the same time, getting a better creation studio than movie maker. Unfortunatly I don't have a stock pile of green in my bank account to get the latest and greatest programs. I love some of the work people have put into their videos, and I want to be able to do the same. But it takes a little understanding that not everyone has been doing this forever, and all it takes is informing and a little guidance for the people that want to get better. As I get more familiar with the different programs my video's quality will increase.

Personally I love getting feedback on how I can improve my vids. I have watched a few of the amvs on tube, and most are just horrid, a very few are good, some could use some guidance but not too terrible. and I had never really bothered visiting tube until I started seeing all these posts. If people want to rate AMV's by what they find there, let them. the people that really matter are the people that visit and create for this select community.

At least that's how I see it.

[Dr. Derpface, J.D.]

Personally I love getting feedback on how I can improve my vids...

And THIS, dear friends, is what seperates us from the unwashed masses on hosatchel. Here, we have a self-admitted beginner who wants to learn from criticism and improve their craft. If this were like boochsack, then even the most constructive criticism would be met with "fuck you, my video is great, and you couldn't possibly do any better!"

Hats off to you, intrepid beginner.

[hasteroth]

I'ma perfectionist. I've attempted 2 AMVs so far but just through them out and gave up cus I didn't like em'. That's why you don't see any of my shitty editing on this site.

[guy07]

Oiseux.
C'est oiseux ...

[8bit_samurai]

I haven't really been following the recent topics, just been reading the posts that seems interesting to me, so forgive me if I had already repeat what someone has already said or if what I post isn't really related to (the content of) this topic.

If I remember correctly, the Org's purpose catalogue all the AMvs created. So, there's nothing that can be done with the "crap" that is already on the org, besides giving it a 1 or 2 (3 if you're lenient, 4/5 if you're a diehard fan of source(s) used and/or the editor) stars with a QC that will hopefully encourage improvement, or give an opinion that will hopefully encourage improvement. Or something in a similar fashion.

There are things to help prevent "crap" on the org in the future, the guides and forums for example, but it is ultimately up to the editor. If the editor cared enough about the hobby, he/she will look for improvement in the guides/forum/advice from other editors. So if his/her personality/understanding doesn't get in the way, hopefully they will improve. Otherwise there is nothing else that can be done about the "crap" on the org except for leaving encouraging advice in QCs and opinions.

That's all from my understanding anyways :/

[Yok/0]

crap is a subjective opinion.

[Chiikaboom]

wut Yoko said.

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