AMV Review 2007-03-19 Bryan Pardue's "Kei"

quadir · Post by **quadir** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:53 am

Hi JudgeHolden, I'm glad your showing interest and I'll be glad to answer your concerns.

This thread is for a constructive (this is the goal) discussion of Bryan Pardue's "Kei" video, however I'll try to answer your more general questions.

JudgeHolden wrote:this will take a terrible turn

While you make a valid point that criticism in the "AMV Announcements" forum has often led to locked threads, I would ask that you not judge what we're trying to do before we've actually done it. I encourage you to come on Monday March 26 and contribute to ensure that a fruitful discussion ensues.

That is the goal, and I for one am putting my efforts into making it happen. By adding a video to the site, an editor is willingly or unwillingly asking people to "submit opinions". Part of our process is to first have everyone watch the video and submit a truthful but constructive opinion on the site, which includes what they liked about the video. The discussion afterwards is live, and focuses on what different people in the community liked or disliked about the video, as well as discussion on technical and emotional aspects of the amv. It is posted here so people who were unable to participate can do so.

If you have further concerns regarding this particular issue, I invite you to elaborate in PM or in channel #amv-review on IRC and I'll be happy to elaborate further.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:42 am

I think the problem Judge Holden was mentioning is this though...

This forum is for members who are willing to volunteer opinions about your video. Please do not beg for video opinions here.

Unless people are actively volunteering their videos to be involved in this there is (technically) an issue here.

YouTube · Post by **Kionon** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:00 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:I think the problem Judge Holden was mentioning is this though...

This forum is for members who are willing to volunteer opinions about your video. Please do not beg for video opinions here.
Unless people are actively volunteering their videos to be involved in this there is (technically) an issue here.

Are you and JudgeHolden saying that the rules carry the implication that a member must get a creator's permission to post an opinion within this specific forum?

And if such an implication does exist, why? When did one have to seek permission to express an opinion? And from what frame of reference does such an implication formulate: because it's "nice" to ask for permission or because other opinions, QC's, etc are "private" and this forum is (relatively) "public"?

But then, even so, what about a video's numbers? Those are public and I don't see anyone requesting that a given member must ask permission to include numbers in their opinions.

I'm not offering an opinion one way or the other here. I participated and allowed my rather harsh comments to be posted, so I believe my stance is already understood. Rather, I am curious about the logic behind disallowing what appears to be on the face it purely on-topic relevancy.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:43 pm

Kionon wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:I think the problem Judge Holden was mentioning is this though...

This forum is for members who are willing to volunteer opinions about your video. Please do not beg for video opinions here.
Unless people are actively volunteering their videos to be involved in this there is (technically) an issue here.
Are you and JudgeHolden saying that the rules carry the implication that a member must get a creator's permission to post an opinion within this specific forum?

No... not to post an opinion here, but to solicit op requests on their behalf (without their knowledge of or their consent to the solicitation) seems against that little blurb. I'd liken it to someone randomly grabbing videos off the Org for a contest without their knowledge or consent.

Clarification on this would be great.

*to be clear, i really don't care either way (notice up there where i said i'd look into checking it out if i had the time) but JudgeHolden raised a good point that should probably be clarified so rule-breaking isn't occurring.*

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:56 pm

weather rule breaking or not..
it will more than likely cause drama... especially when you get that one person who didnt want what you did in the first place.

the difference between ops and what youre doing is that the creator has a right to choose weather or not they want people to see their ops or QCs... i believe its been said several times that ops are meant for the creator not for the general public.

number values are one thing, but what is actually written is more important than numbers, and perhaps there is that one editor out there that doesnt want to share their ops...

i think its pretty insensitive of you guys for doing this... atleast posting the "opinion" publically...

what i would suggest if you want to continue is to take the convo and post it in an opinion in the "General" section and have a vote or something for the stupid number values...

Szwagier · Post by **Szwagier** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:04 pm

Well there is an easy solution to that... You just need to change the idea a bit - make it "free opinion from many creators topic" with 2 restrictions:
1. You will choose 1-2 vids from all that were posted current week
2. You wil review them publicly

That way, the idea will be changed only slightly (ppl have to suggest their own videos, instead of someone elses) but it will be going by the rules.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:06 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:weather rule breaking or not..
it will more than likely cause drama... especially when you get that one person who didnt want what you did in the first place.

the difference between ops and what youre doing is that the creator has a right to choose weather or not they want people to see their ops or QCs... i believe its been said several times that ops are meant for the creator not for the general public.

number values are one thing, but what is actually written is more important than numbers, and perhaps there is that one editor out there that doesnt want to share their ops...

i think its pretty insensitive of you guys for doing this... atleast posting the "opinion" publically...

Um, I thought that the creator of the video volunteered for this?

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:10 pm

some how i get the feeling he did not considering the previous posts?

quadir · Post by **quadir** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:10 pm

This forum is for members who are willing to volunteer opinions about your video. Please do not beg for video opinions here.

Here's one interpretation of the above. The first sentence is saying that in this forum, there are members of the community, who will volunteer opinions on your video. It says nothing about you having to ask. It just says you will find people talking about your video in there. The second sentence says you shouldn't really be asking for opinions, although interpretations of what constitutes 'beg' will vary.

I should point out that as soon as you create a profile for your video, you automatically invite people to leave opinions on it. Opinions which anyone (who also leaves feedback) can read. You often see people editing their ops and mentioning things said in other ops. We're extending that discussion.

If a mod thinks the thread should be elsewhere, they will move it to the proper public forum it belongs in and I will be grateful. I don't think arguing more about this particular point is very constructive, and instead invite you to download the video, op it, and maybe tell us what you think.

As you said earlier, I hope to see you on monday!

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:12 pm

if youre offering opinions in this format... and people accept, then they are NOT considered "begging"

now if they post a thread that says "pls leave me ops pls plsplspls" then that IS begging if they dont offer any in return :/