youtube not for AMVs

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:16 am

godix wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:truthfully one thing i am sort of sick seeing of is people chewing others out on the forum for using boochsack...

I've seen it in Opinion Exchange, Announcements, and Recommendations...
seriously people even though the tube is a huge cocktease that doesnt mean you have to insult the people who use it.

the tube DOES have some advantages too you know.
Actually it has more to do with the fact that the tube isn't the org than anything else. It's a different site so keep it there, if we wanted that shit we would have gone there to begin with.

What we're seeing now is about once a week either someone no one has ever heard of is posting on this site to bitch about another site entirely or, even more annoying, people are joining the org for the sole reason of asking us to go look at stuff on a non-org site. I have yet to see someone posting to go look at the tube amvs who actually made a profile for the AMVs here. These people aren't even making the slightest contribution to what the sites goal is but instead are, basically, saying the org sucks to much for them to spend time on so we should all go somewhere else. I see little difference between someones ONLY post being to tell me to go to a different website and watch their videos and someones ONLY post being to tell me to go to a different website to buy viagra. If the only contribution to the org someone has is 'go somewhere else' then they're a worthless spammer and deserve all the hostility they get.

I'm guessing that most of those people:

- Aren't used to fora where postings like that are considered lock-worthy
- Being as they just joined the Org, don't know about the site's stated aim and/or the ability to host videos here

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:42 am

all i was saying was that im sick of seeing people chewing out other (usually new) members over it (i understand the reasons why), its just there are ways to get the same exact point across without resorting to "we aint gonna look at that shit!" and "fuck the tube!!!!!!" or comming off as sounding rude...

and SOME of those people ARE making video profiles here, especially when they are asked to do it... i can understand chewing someone out after they REFUSE to contribute to the site, because if the situation is explained in a calm manner then they should know whats up..

here is an example of a tuber that made a video profile here after being asked to (of course the people who got to him first didnt cuss or bitch at him as much as i have seen...) so its entirely possible to make it work by asking nicely :/

thats all i was saying...

but i guess after telling so many people the same thing so many times, it becomes a pain in the butt saying it again and again... (but this is why i keep things in notepad and keep links in my bookmarks... so they are handy)

lets face it... ever since people on the tube found out about A-M-V.org more and more of them are going to want to be here, there is going to be a whole new influx of "newbies"...

i donno i guess i help people for selfish reasons, i would like there to be more GOOD amvs so if you help people improve then their videos will get better imo, and they will be making less shitty ones.

sometimes babysiting this site is a pain...

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:53 am

Scintilla wrote:I'm guessing that most of those people:

- Aren't used to fora where postings like that are considered lock-worthy
- Being as they just joined the Org, don't know about the site's stated aim and/or the ability to host videos here

Ignorance is no excuse. If they fail to do a bit of reading before posting, and thus learn how the site operates, that's their choice, actively made.

Dark Confusion · Post by **Dark Confusion** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:59 am

Kalium wrote: Ignorance is no excuse. If they fail to do a bit of reading before posting, and thus learn how the site operates, that's their choice, actively made.

Agreed, but one might also take into account that
A) They just made their first vid. They are "soooo excited" and want to get it out as soon as possible
B) They just joined, and arethus too much on the rush to bother reading (foolish, but it is too common to really expect otherwise nowadays. Not just for this forum either -.-)
and
C) The members who know the rules and such are to be the bigger person and teach correctly. Cussing and all won't help unless you're in a bad mood and need to cuss someone out to relieve the stress

Presenting the org as some biatchy community scares away potentially good members.
I remember this person who posted a youtube vid in his first post quite recently, for a Gungrave vid, and darnit! That was a good vid! The org needs good vids like that. So if we welcome them, the (potentially) good/awesome AMV makers they won't cower in fear

Though sometimes it is a tad too annoying with all newbies posting youtube links. I totally agree with Jadd on the aspect of being tired of the cussing out new members, yet at the same time, you can understand why.

The way I see it though, some people will remain to be biatchy to the n00bs, and you can't really do much about it. Darnit, I am even quite positive I will be biatchy about it.
Bad mood -> Ignorant newbie = Evil rant of d00m!!

It's as simple as that, really.

Rapture** · Post by Rapture** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:00 am

JaddziaDax wrote:all i was saying was that im sick of seeing people chewing out other (usually new) members over it (i understand the reasons why), its just there are ways to get the same exact point across without resorting to "we aint gonna look at that shit!" and "fuck the tube!!!!!!" or comming off as sounding rude...

Well,sometimes I'm being harsh when I see those links to utoob , but that is only because I remember asking lots of people first to upload it here,but really don't like these types :

Average U'toober wrote: Heya,I've kinda make this vid,and I want ya to review it on my Utoob acc,since I haven't time to upload it here,and I don't want to upload vid if it's no good.

Or :

Average U'toober wrote: Yo,watch this one! Ppl says it's good stuff n' I've know this site so I want ya to watch this and say if it's good! Then if I get good comments I'll upload it here!

The thing is - I don't understand, like in example #1 - Why to wait and upload it later,if you know that you may upload it earlier,and post a-m-v.org link instead of Utoob? That would be much more atractive to avreade a-m-v.org editor

Even a newbie should understand that local files are much better than Utoob ones. Here ya can have much better quality,much more feedback,and more to that comments will be much more detailed,and people here are really nice - "PLease remove DivX logo,that will make vid look better." or "You could use better quality,and whole sync and effects would be better if you won't use interlaced footage , better use DVD's . But if you doin't have any DVD's , then at least try using a bit cleaner footage." - those comments are really helpful for newbie.

Now, example #2 - If ya want a good comments for your video,then try that it would be good. And if ya say that ya'll upload it only if it's good,then I'm afraid that sometimes ya will be even ignored. I mean - we all have our failures . We didn't asked if it's worth to upload. We make AMV's , and then upload them. And when it's done,we ask of result - "Please say was it good or not , or where was my bad points..." well something like that. Look at my profile - all of my vids up there are failures. The only one I was proud of "Aishteru" was really something with good idea,but lip sync was terrible. And I have no regrets for uploading it,and having bad opinions.... So, moral is that - If ya won't make any failures,ya can't learn anything. All good things come trough hard work.

So,that's why I can't accept Utoob links here. I understand that Utoob has it's advance in some places, like - Allowing ALL types of footage. And of course there might be something more,but since I don't use that site,I don't know. And as I said in my previuos post, Ya know of existence of this site, so why post links of Utoob if ya may upload it here first?

quadir · Post by **quadir** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:09 am

I was going to say something about giving people a chance and telling them about the site features they may have overlooked for just another forum with announcements... but then Rapture** totally shot that down. Way to go Rapture**, I now hate them all.

Minion · Post by **Minion** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:10 am

Dark Confusion · Post by **Dark Confusion** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:12 am

quadir wrote:I was going to say something about giving people a chance and telling them about the site features they may have overlooked for just another forum with announcements... but then Rapture** totally shot that down. Way to go Rapture**, I now hate them all.

*laughs*
Rapture - 1
N00bs - minus 100

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:18 am

im not saying that you need to allow the tube links, infact im against the links myself, and fully support the word filters and other measures the mods put in place..

what im talking about is when newbs get cussed out for it before they are given a chance... and i will say that they should be given a chance cause *MOST* of the people who leave tube links *ARENT* like your examples... atleast the ones i have seen... A FEW are i must admit but not all of them

i mean the whole "tube is shit" comments with no direction to convince the person to list the video here instead.. <- thats what i dont like...

atleast say "tube links arent really accepted here" or "perhaps you should list the video in the database here instead? that is after all the whole point of this site" or something similar, and if youre that lazy you can even leave the links to lame asses like me that are willing to link them to the right guides...

what im saying is that if youre going to tell a newb not to post tube links, give them the why, and how they can fix the problem so they dont end up getting cussed out later... and when they dont want to listen, then have at them and lynch them if you must?

I mean atleast give them a chance before you start driving them away..

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:24 am

Kalium wrote:Ignorance is no excuse. If they fail to do a bit of reading before posting, and thus learn how the site operates, that's their choice, actively made.

QFT