Thoughts on substance in AMVs

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Post by Castor Troy » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:26 pm

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Metro wrote: To me, inducing an emotion in an audience is the most important part of a video. And while telling a narative may achieve your result, it is in the end only one way to get there.
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Post by Otohiko » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:30 pm

I think 'inducing emotion in an audience' is a bit too shallow. I've seen some elaborate jokes and pretentious tour-de-forces that go above that level. I want to see more of them.
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Post by Metro » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:41 pm

Otohiko wrote:I think 'inducing emotion in an audience' is a bit too shallow. I've seen some elaborate jokes and pretentious tour-de-forces that go above that level. I want to see more of them.
I don't see it as shallow. At its purist levels, I see it as a way for the audience to empathize with your own emotions towards a subject.

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Post by SnhKnives » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:42 pm

Metro wrote:
Otohiko wrote:I think 'inducing emotion in an audience' is a bit too shallow. I've seen some elaborate jokes and pretentious tour-de-forces that go above that level. I want to see more of them.
I don't see it as shallow. At its purist levels, I see it as a way for the audience to empathize with your own emotions towards a subject.
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Post by madbunny » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:13 am

I think it depends on what you're trying to accomplish.

I'm one of those people that you seem to hate that feels, generally speaking that a video usually has a story, or at least a theme. Structure within that bailwick can be pretty widely varied though. Lets face it, most of the music that we use has an internal structure based around some form of storytelling. Putting in a visual reference to the music allows the whole thing to become greater than it's sum of parts.

Its the use of those self contained song/story elements that allows a video to rise above random footage. Making a viewer 'care' about or be affected by a character that is only on screen for less than five minutes is a great thing. It's also something that can only be done in certain ways. Otherwise... what? A music slideshow.

Lets use an example. I seem to recall doing an op on waking hour, some time ago. While I'd never seen the movie that it was based upon, your construction was such that I was able to pretty much figure out what was going on. In a sense, you might have felt that you were just sticking pretty pictures in to match the music, but the reality was that it's a lot more than that. Anybody can slice stuff up and toss it into a blender. The ability to put things into an AMV in such a way as to create the desired emotion is what separates the good editors from the mediocre.

It sounds like what you're saying is: "I just threw stuff together and timed it, you're the one that decided it means something"

If I take examples from my top rated videos:
Wasteland:Otohiko - not much of what you would consider a standard story layout here, but still one of the most engrossing videos that I have on my HD.
Accidental Love Story:Bakadeshi - Story taken from side characters, definately a standard concept but handled with extraordinary skill.
Waking Hour:Koopskiva - A clean and pristine display of editing prowess displaying the movie in such a way as to be more enjoyable than the original.

You can see that two of three of my examples are strongly story motivated. Looking at the top % chart, it would seem that it's not an uncommon theme.

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Post by JaddziaDax » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:34 am

i think it depends on what youre making... and what you want to portray...

i think that the terms "theme" and "story" often get mixed up...

a video can have a theme, and not have a story and still be enjoyable.
theres alot of "dance videos" that are proof of that...

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Post by Kalium » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:54 am

I'm of the opinion that AMVs, like any other form, are about expression. The what and how are up for grabs.

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Post by Koopiskeva » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:55 am

madbunny wrote: It sounds like what you're saying is: "I just threw stuff together and timed it, you're the one that decided it means something"
Actually, somewhere in that rambling of mine, I was saying that I could have done just that and that whomever viewed it places their own meaning upon it... However, I was clear in stating that I edit videos to reflect the emotion that I picked up from the video and music source and that whatever 'story' comes out about it is simply coincidental and is just what the viewer perceives there to be within the context of the sources that were used.

I don't hate people that simply look for that story or theme. I would be lost too if the video I was watching didn't have a focus, but having a focus doesn't necessarily mean that there has to be a story or a theme. It could be a focus on some redundant special effect or anything else, and most videos do focus on some aspect of either the anime source, the music source, or something else entirely. Now that doesn't make the video good or bad, but it certainly does not make something pointless. It may have a stupid point/focus, but it still exists and someone looking for a story within a video and simply stating it pointless for not having a story is completely wrong and simply undermining whatever focus that the editor intended.

Those are the people that I hate. The people that believe that their view on videos are the only views that matter and state their opinion as if they were fact... making themselves look superior by acting as if the editor had the wrong intentions in creating their video and therefore edited a video without substance.
madbunny wrote:Lets face it, most of the music that we use has an internal structure based around some form of storytelling.......
In a sense, you might have felt that you were just sticking pretty pictures in to match the music, but the reality was that it's a lot more than that.
That's most likely true, but when one listens to a song, or at least when I do, I listen to it and perceive it in my own way, pertaining to my life and the events that have shaped me, not the artist that created it. So, whatever storyline, unless direct, is usually lost in the twisted way many artists portray them through the song. Basically, the song takes shape in my mind probably as something else that the artist had intended, the story then changes from person to person... so I usually do not focus on the story, but rather the emotions invoked by the presentation of the song. This is how I treat amvs, how the presentation of both sources are put together. I don't try to retell a story, I simply try to capture the emotions I felt while viewing the source and listening to the song. They then come together in the editing, which may then create a sum greater than its parts, but that doesn't mean it has a story and/or theme at all... it then becomes apparent to me that it is simply up to the viewers to perceive these in however they have been trained to do so.
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Post by Pwolf » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:08 am

Koopiskeva wrote:That's most likely true, but when one listens to a song, or at least when I do, I listen to it and perceive it in my own way, pertaining to my life and the events that have shaped me, not the artist that created it.
indeed... i hadn't thought of it before but i do get a lot of comments for as the world crashes down and i really hate it when people say the video is about 9/11 and they say i've done something horrible by making a video about it...

i wouldn't care if they didn't like the video because <i>they</i> see it as a video about 9/11, but to say i did something wrong or i am using real life events to persue some hidden agenda is ghey.

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Post by Knowname » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:17 am

it's too late to read, but I'm not beleiveing what I think I'm seeing. all of my amvs has a story. and yes, my AMVS has a story, not the anime, not the song, the AMV itself. I wouldn't enjoy making AMVs if I had to follow somebody else' junk.

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