Downloads Downloads Everywhere and Not an Opinion to be Read

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 1:09 pm

Hitori wrote:
jbone wrote:The people who do know enough all tend to have long backlogs of videos for which they've already promised reviews.
True dat!

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Still though, I've always said the best way to get reviews........is to give them!! :O

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 1:47 pm

jbone wrote:Bah, reviews are overrated... and this, coming from the #1 most opinionated on the site.

Plenty of people won't know enough to be able to leave a constructive review. The people who do know enough all tend to have long backlogs of videos for which they've already promised reviews.

And most people seem to want reviews for affirmation, rather than for criticism.

Amen...

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:01 pm

mexicanjunior wrote: Still though, I've always said the best way to get reviews........is to give them!! :O

Good point, but here's the problem:

I want reviews because I am a newb, and I hope that someone might have some suggestions for what to fix/work on/avoid. Thus I feel weird turning around and critiquing someone else's work - because what do I know? I'm a newb. It's kind of a bind.

However I definitely agree that the touchy, "How dare you say bad things about my masterpiece" creators need to get their heads out of their asses. I've dealt with fragile egos in other arenas and it's really freaking annoying (writers can be really bad about this, in particular). Assuming the reviewer isn't just being a jerk ("U sux0r lololololollo!!!!1"), they're there to help you. Chill.

But I think I'm preaching to the converted here; just had to vent.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:24 pm

Sub0 wrote: as opposed to those kind bunnys -_-

All animals are in it for themselves. Even parenthood in all it's dedication can basically be boiled down to protecting your own genetic material.
'Happy Mother's day mom...but I know you were only in it to see your genes passed on'

True altruism hardly exists among any species. aaaaanyway....

True, most people really just want to know they did a good job. Obviously they were satisfied with their production enough to call it finished so I find it hard to give suggestions related to their creative choices.

Once I tried to say that I thought the special effects and massive use of overlays and wipes seemed to bring the viewer away from the amv and was messy. Boy did I get a talking to by the creator!

Now, I tend to mention technical errors. Is that what you mean by how someone can help you if your video 'sucked', BishounenStalker? I have seen videos with technical problems that were enjoyable even with their flaws. I really think experience is the only way to truly improve your video editing and creativity, but that is just me.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:26 pm

addendum-people are animals too.

didn't meant to single out the bunnies

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:37 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:
mexicanjunior wrote: Still though, I've always said the best way to get reviews........is to give them!! :O
Good point, but here's the problem:

I want reviews because I am a newb, and I hope that someone might have some suggestions for what to fix/work on/avoid. Thus I feel weird turning around and critiquing someone else's work - because what do I know? I'm a newb. It's kind of a bind.

You can always critique on creativity and emotional factors rather than the technical, because you have to have both to be really good.

And as far as sharing reviews...

If everyone just reviewed two or three vids for every one they made every vid made would have at least one or two reviews. I have only made one vid as of yet but have given 10 opinions (with many on backorder

I'm kinda late on a few). But unfortunatly many people post their vid here expecting many opinions without giving anyone else opinions. Besides, out of the thousands of "members" only a handful (100, 200?) are what should be considered actuall members.

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:45 pm

[quote="jonmartensen"Besides, out of the thousands of "members" only a handful (100, 200?) are what should be considered actuall members.[/quote]

Alas, this is true of all places on the internet that become big. About 80-85% of all the people who sign up at the .org are doing it simply to get vids.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:51 pm

and even at that they don't have to sign up or anything. Plus there's that darn curse of the noob, they get one post and *BAM* they're gone forever. Only 1 in 20 make it past the first post acording to 3 out of every 2 staticians

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 8:48 pm

jonmartensen wrote:You can always critique on creativity and emotional factors rather than the technical, because you have to have both to be really good.

Trrrruuuue, but I still feel uneasy giving opinions on creativity/emotion, too. Knowing the AMV community inside and out is hard to do, and I wouldn't feel "right" giving people the what-for unless I knew my stuff to the last letter. I always, ALWAYS expect some smack-down like "What the hell do you think you're talking about, you clueless crappy-AMV-making newb?! Blah Blah did a video with this style in 1992 and it was BRILLIANT! Go back where you came from, infidel!!!" or "Who do you think you're talking to, you nobody?! I've won the XYZ Prize at BlahBlahCon three years running so STFU!!!!"

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:14 pm

You should never get that for expressing an honest opinion and if anyone ever does just tells us and we'll give them the physical (foot meets ass) what-for. Besides just offer what you think could make it better and what you thought they did that made it good in the first place, you'll never get smacked down for that.