Yaoi AMV???

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:23 pm

Lady Shinsei wrote:Be very interesting to see a good Yaoi AMV made, though. Especially if it's
created with the one Yaoi anime that exists - "Gravitation".

REALLY!?

I didn't know what to expect when watching this, until it was to late. >.<

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:24 pm

Lady Shinsei wrote:I personally like "shounen-ai" more than yaoi, because often the latter tends
to involve too muhc sex, angst, and bondage stuff. Shounen-ai is usually cute
and romantic, with hugging and such.

Be very interesting to see a good Yaoi AMV made, though. Especially if it's
created with the one Yaoi anime that exists - "Gravitation".

Gravitation isn't yaoi. Have you seen it? Unless fairly restrained kissing has become the same as hardcore sex, magically, overnight, because fairly restrained kissing is all that series has. It falls under what Western fans usually call shounen-ai. Male/male romance. There's a racier scene in the OVA, but I don't even know if that qualifies as yaoi.

Yaoi is like Zetsuai, Ai no Kusabi, other stuff you probably haven't heard about and I've barely heard about myself, because it essentially never gets brought over here.

That said, I want to first try to dispel the stereotype that all yaoi/shounen-ai fans are illiterate teenyboppers (though Ari proved that first), and second say that I'm up for any gender combination, be that f/m, m/m or f/f. None to me is any more or less interesting than the others, if the story is good.

There aren't many - let's just say m/m-romance-centered AMVs to dodge the slang problem - because not too many of those series have been released outside Japan yet, and because the AMV community is fairly hostile toward them. They're seen as fit for stupid fangirls and not taken seriously at all; essentially no respected editors worked with them (except to make homophobic parodies) until a Yami no Matsuei section turned up in this last DDR AMV. (and wasn't I pleasantly shocked to see that.)

BUT reason #1 is that not too many series have, until now, been out on DVD. Thus, source is thin. There's YnM and Saiyuki, neither of which are explicitly m/m but are very... very... heavily implied; there's Gravitation; and that's kind of about it. And there's Weiss Kreuz, which I think is on the "very heavily implied" side of the fence, but I've heard it's not really all that good. And supposedly X is implication-heavy, but I don't know much about that.

Anyway, combine not too many things to choose from with an unfriendly atmosphere and you get not all that many videos to choose from.

And now I plug my community, which is friendly to such things, in my sig, mention that I've done two YnM videos and am now working on Gravitation, and run like hell.

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:38 pm

I'll never understand why people argue over the connotations behind yaoi and shounen-ai (or similarly, yuri and shoujo-ai).

M/M pairing, F/F pairings.

Does one term REALLY have to carry the definition of being more explicit or hardcore?

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:09 pm

inthesto wrote:I'll never understand why people argue over the connotations behind yaoi and shounen-ai (or similarly, yuri and shoujo-ai).

M/M pairing, F/F pairings.

Does one term REALLY have to carry the definition of being more explicit or hardcore?

The same reason people argue over ecchi vs. hentai (which mean the same thing, only hetero): because they are idiots.

In other words, amen to that.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:56 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:The same reason people argue over ecchi vs. hentai (which mean the same thing, only hetero): because they are idiots.

But isn't there an actual difference in connotation between those two terms in Japanese?

Bote · Post by **Bote** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:41 am

I can understand females making yaoi videos, but males that make yaoi videos I can't.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:01 am

Hmm... I guess I can understand that, but it's almost a double-standard because I have seen females make yuri-themed videos...

Sentient Satire · Post by **Sentient Satire** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:20 am

Well, I tend to believe that getting caught up in terminological labels aren't really important enough to warrant a lot of thought...

But what the hell? Let's just humor some curiosity, or at least mine. And I think Scintilla expressed some interest maybe?

Ballpark-Range Connatations
Disclaimer: I am not saying these are concrete interpretations that encompass all of Japanese culture regarding these words, things can differ by personal convictions-usage, regionally acceptable, and slang-context variation, so please don't flame me.

Ecchi - Well, is literally translated as lewd or merely indecent subject matter. In the context of saying it as a film genre or style it is just pornographic and some would term it salacious.

Hentai - can refer to "abnormal sexuality" when refering to sexual themes, some use it as relating to perversion (which one could argue is not all sexually implicit/explicit material). Usually native speakers use this in the context of things (animations, live-movies, newsprint, habits, inclinations, penchants) that are subversive to the moral status-quo and everything else generally accepted as wholesome. (I would say as a case in point: conservatively filmed love making between a couple in love VS. a horde of tentacles and an unlucky bishoujo that leave nothing to the imagination)
Interestingly enough the kanji and kana for 'Hentai' stand alone and also are used in the name of other things that translate to merely anomalous. 変体, へんたい,変態. So in terms of original etymology, sexual connatations need to be expressed as that if it is not understood as film/art already, or it will be relating to the mundane sense. But then again... most people in Japan and in the west already know what it is used for commonly in discussion nowadays.

Yaoi - is categorizing something as homosexual love... Nothing about the word itself lends it to only explicit degrees of the theme. There is no characteristic amount of "love" limited by the word. It relies on the person using it, in a setting like this forum.

Shounen-ai - literally "boy love" with the emphasis on younger males.
Personally I say it is a milder expression, no penetration. I use the word love in this sense as affection... That's just me.

Shoujo-ai - same deal with "girl love", I like to think of it as affection and portrayl thereof.

Anyways those are my experiences with this topic and linguistics. Just food for thought. The way people use the words is no big deal. Human languages are flexible.

T|r|D · Post by **T|r|D** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:29 am

Lol stupid discuss bout diff names.....U hav no ID how many bloody names there r for 1 and the same thing in anime. An btw how do u mean cant understand it lol. "There are a lot yaoi comics made by men lol. but wot i cant understand why girls love them.. I mean...well...just dont understand...but hey.'Girls r weird...everybody knows that ^^ btw..u talk bout making those yaoi AMV...GIMME NAMES PLZ..lol

T|r|D · Post by **T|r|D** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:31 am

T|r|D wrote:Lol stupid discuss bout diff names.....U hav no ID how many bloody names there r for 1 and the same thing in anime. An btw how do u mean cant understand it lol. "There are a lot yaoi comics made by men lol. but wot i cant understand why girls love them.. I mean...well...just dont understand...but hey.'Girls r weird...everybody knows that ^^ btw..u talk bout making those yaoi AMV...GIMME NAMES PLZ..lol

Wanna add some thing....Same with Lemon and Lime stuff... i like them but there's hardly any diff between them..