Which is worse? Non-anime or plaigerism.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:34 pm

Right now, I think a concrete policy on plagarism is in order. That would at keast eliminate the confusion.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:44 pm

ladydx wrote:This was another vid that was blatenly ripped off (they even left the bumpers of the person they took it from on the vid) and pointed out and nothing was ever done (to my knowledge at least) since the video is still up via direct on the org.

-_- And to try and hide it the user creates another account and posts in the thread to berate the original account...

kilo · Post by **kilo** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:54 pm

pen-pen2002 · Post by **pen-pen2002** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:28 pm

Can anyone explain the motivation behind these acts? It can't be to get recognition because the only way to do that is to have a lot of people see your video, typically by posting on the forums. Whenever they do they get one or two responses saying "cool vid" Then someone finds out and the rest of the thread is unremittingly hostile. I wish some of these people would post in response to all of this, they never even try to defend themselves (not that they could, but still...)

AMV's are very memorable. I saw and AMV three years ago that I have since lost. It had incredibly overused footage (FF8) and song (Runaway, LP) although at the time it was one of the first to use them (and ironically still one of the best IMHO.) The point is that, despite all this, I would recognize the vid instantly. There is no way you will succeed in plagiarism unless you take a horribly obscure video (though it would be hard to find a good one and you could still get caught.) I wonder how many people succeed in passing off someone's vid? Certainly none of those morons who stole a forum members vid then posted it on the forum.

Is it just me or does this seem like a relatively recent phenomenon?

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:33 pm

Plagiarism in this context is something that completely escapes me.

I mean, I think anyone can understand copying a well-written essay so you can get that A in English class.

But what the hell do you get from claiming someone else's AMV is yours?

To me, the joy in being a creator of AMVs is watching your own and saying, "Hey, I made that." Of course, plagiarists can't do that in the slightest bit.

They must be horribly desparate for attention or something.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:38 pm

pen-pen2002 wrote:Is it just me or does this seem like a relatively recent phenomenon?

It probally existed before but it has become more of a problem since the donut has been created. People can now host their rip-off vids at no cost to them at all.

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:56 pm

I don't get it.
Why would someone take a video and basically duplicate that video?
I mean everybody has different editing 'style' so it wouldn't feel natural at the least.

Sure I can see someone accidentally using the same footage to the same song, since some scenes are pretty pivotal to a series and hence would be used for prime elements of a song. I can think of half a dozen scenes off the top of my head that tend to get used over and over in exactly the same way, but even if somebody is editing to the same song.. with the same anime, wouldn't the choices be different.. the timing would be different.. and so on.

To me it seems like MORE work to rip someone off than to just make an original peice, even if it's the same source (video and music).

To do it with multiple videos is incomprehensible to me.

Newbies who have never been to the site and made stuff on their own tend to have common themes (linkinballz being one of them, since the two are such an obvious matchup and fun to watch if you haven't already seen 85 of the same thing) can easily learn to do a song+anime match on the search.

To answer the original question:
I tend to be more tolerant of someone if it's their first video, as long as it isn't an outright copy.
Way less tolerant if someone has been around a while, and
Completely intolerant if it's someone who should know better. (for example you'll never see AD ripping off say: euphoria even though I'm sure he could if he wanted to. Similarly you won't see VegettoEX ripping off other DBZ stuff.. even though.... you get the idea)

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:19 pm

inthesto wrote:Plagiarism in this context is something that completely escapes me.

I mean, I think anyone can understand copying a well-written essay so you can get that A in English class.

But what the hell do you get from claiming someone else's AMV is yours?

To me, the joy in being a creator of AMVs is watching your own and saying, "Hey, I made that." Of course, plagiarists can't do that in the slightest bit.

They must be horribly desparate for attention or something.

it's the sudden shitty desire to see your video on the top 10

even though it's not yours. what an incomplete feeling it must leave behind.

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:24 pm

The other thing is that if you're copying a video that's Top 10 material to begin with, you're obviously not going to get away with it for very long.

Brsrk · Post by **Brsrk** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:24 pm

fyrtenheimer wrote:
inthesto wrote:Plagiarism in this context is something that completely escapes me.

I mean, I think anyone can understand copying a well-written essay so you can get that A in English class.

But what the hell do you get from claiming someone else's AMV is yours?

To me, the joy in being a creator of AMVs is watching your own and saying, "Hey, I made that." Of course, plagiarists can't do that in the slightest bit.

They must be horribly desparate for attention or something.
it's the sudden shitty desire to see your video on the top 10

even though it's not yours. what an incomplete feeling it must leave behind.

I had that feeling on April Fools Day. My Ready to Die video was #5 on the top 10% videos. It felt really good.