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Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:58 pm

blah. don't listen to them. you can analyze the reasons after you've establish #1.

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:18 pm

koop often did one overlay, then rendered it, reimport, and added more overlays, being that it takes a LONG ass time to render several effects and overlays in one sitting. Prerendered work is easier to deal with.

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:27 pm

Jebadia wrote:koop often did one overlay, then rendered it, reimport, and added more overlays, being that it takes a LONG ass time to render several effects and overlays in one sitting. Prerendered work is easier to deal with.

Agreed.

godix · Post by **godix** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:36 pm

Not that I share your quest for #1 or anything but I've torn apart and duplicated most of Euphoria (and other effect heavy videos) myself just to see what tricks I could learn from it. IIRC Euphoria didn't require a lot of video tracks. I did most of the things in it with an average of only 2 or 3 overlays at once. Half of what you think are effects in Euphoria are actually in the source and the other half is easier to do in Photoshop than Premiere (or Roxio in your case).

Honestly I don't know why you're so intent on copying Euphoria anyway. It's fairly simple to understand how it was done if you learn keyframing, masking, and photoshop. It still takes a shitload of time to do them but it's easy to understand how they were done. The beauty of Euphoria isn't that it has insanely complicated effects, it's beauty is that it has well done effects put together in a unique way. Some also like the story Euphoria presents as well but that's a totally different topic.

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:21 am

One thing koop also did was trick the viewer into thinking he did this awesome impossible effect but in reallity it's very simple. for example, 3:18-3:24 where he made the rectangles cricle around the charactor. Your eye says, those are going around him, but when you look at how it was put together, he actually used two half-cricles and placed them above and below the layer they are circling. that's fucking genius. i would have never thought of that.

The best way to try and duplicate an effect is to not look at it with your eyes, but look at it from an editing standpoint. from the knowlege you know about editing, try and figure out how the effect was done. also take into consideration what programs the creator used. The fact that Koop used a $40 music maker and MSpaint do those means you really don't need high end software. just software that can allow you to use overlays and mulitiple layers.

About being the best, good for you

we all have different reason for making videos, a lot of us make them cuase it's a fun hobby. others do it to win awards and contest. Also, you don't need eye candy to win. instead of trying to figure out how to make the eyecandy, maybe you should try improving your basic editing. Get your timing good, work on scene selection, flow, and concept. then when you need to, add effects to reinforce them.

I typed a little more then i wanted to but those were the thoughts on my mind about this topic

Pwolf

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:20 am

Pwolf wrote:One thing koop also did was trick the viewer into thinking he did this awesome impossible effect but in reallity it's very simple. for example, 3:18-3:24 where he made the rectangles cricle around the charactor. Your eye says, those are going around him, but when you look at how it was put together, he actually used two half-cricles and placed them above and below the layer they are circling. that's fucking genius. i would have never thought of that.

I thought that, that and his shameless use of the spherize, or I think in Magix is the fishbowl lense effect he used. good stuff.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:24 am

Lyrs wrote:blah. don't listen to them. you can analyze the reasons after you've establish #1.

Guess I gotta agree.

We're just trying to save him from the road to destruction.

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:37 am

Deconstructing other videos can be informative and (sometimes) fun. What is better IMO is finding different ways to sove similar problems.

For example in premiere if you have an effect that you want to repeat, you could create a 'virtual clip' and add to it gradually over the course of the video till you had theoritically hundreds of effects and motions all happening at the same time with minimal effort. What's more, since what is changed on the original can effect the subsequent clips, you could tweak your entire video easily. (sort of)

If you really want to know how Euphoria was made, you COULD ask the person that made it, or you could search the forum as this has been covered numerous times.

As for being in the same situation that AD and the others at the general top of the winners circle is concerned... they got there the hard way.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:42 am

Pyle wrote: Hey dude, it may not matter to you, but I dream about being in Koop and AD's position. I wanna win the VCA and participate in Cons.

That's really the wrong ambition to have. Quite frankly winning awards or the VCA really does not mean everything. In fact, all it does is raise people's expectations of you and then they expect better and better things from you which in turn can just cuases more stress and determination. If you go down that path, then it will seem less and less like a hobby in one way if you just think of winning as an ambition.

The most important thing is to try and make the videos you want and have then turn out so thay satisfy YOUR expectations. Winning awards with them is then more or less icing on the cake but not the whole nine yards...

Vlad

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 2:21 am

The easiest way to fame.

Make super fan appealing video with Dancing Vash. Then throw in other anime characters beating up DBZ and Evas. Have pikachu or a little anime mascot animal lip sync the song.

You become god.

It's that easy. 8)