Is there even a purpose to the sound rating?

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Post by mexicanjunior » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:23 pm

dwchang wrote: Am I the only one who reads and follows the directions phade gives on the review page? :(
I read the directions, doesn't mean I don't add my own criteria to reviews in addition to what he "suggests". :?

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Post by Flint the Dwarf » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:24 pm

dwchang wrote:My point is that "liking/disliking the song" is certainly not listed as criteria in the instructions Phade gives.
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I don't think Lyrs was judging on how much she likes the song but rather how effective the quality of the song was in the video. :roll:

And, yes, I always read the definitions for scoring each time I review but I think those are basically obsolete by now.
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Post by dwchang » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:25 pm

Since most of you don't read ;), I'll post it:
phade wrote:Sound Quality:
Guideline: Another easy concept. If it sounds clear, then score high. If it sounds bad, score low. You should NOT judge the music itself, just if it has a clear sound.
Does it get any more clear then that? BTW, for me, when he says "judge the music," I also include the "immersion of the song and so on along with that.

He clearly states that all he wants users to do is rate the sound quality.
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Post by dwchang » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:27 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:
dwchang wrote: Am I the only one who reads and follows the directions phade gives on the review page? :(
I read the directions, doesn't mean I don't add my own criteria to reviews in addition to what he "suggests". :?
Well I agree that you are entitled to your opinion, but at the same time, I respect the guidelines that Phade sets down. I guess one could argue they're not rules, but at the same time, I think Phade put them down so as to have a uniform way of scoring so that scores would make sense no matter who did them. Too bad it's not the case, but he can always hope right? :)
flint_the_dwarf wrote:DUR

I don't think Lyrs was judging on how much she likes the song but rather how effective the quality of the song was in the video.

And, yes, I always read the definitions for scoring each time I review but I think those are basically obsolete by now.
Well the effectiveness of the song in the video probably is something like "Sync" right? How well do they use the song? Whether it's beats, the flow, lyrics, etc. right?

I think Phade's system works pretty damn well and scores nearly everything you could want (if you use the guidelines).
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Post by Lyrs » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:34 pm

dwchang wrote:No offense, but then you're not reading what the score entails. I know everyone grades differently, but it's quite apparent that sound quality is just that...the quality of the sound. Not if you like the song or how immersed you become with the video. It's purely based on the quality of the sound they used and compression.
Yeah i know, and yeah, i grade differently because of what flint said.
Same goes for video quality. You don't see my giving lower scores for someone using an anime I don't like do you?
I haven't read any of your opinions at all, so i wouldn't know.
I guess I'm only bitching a little since I've gotten a few low sound scores where they admit it sounds crystal clear, but don't like the song. If that's the case, shouldn't that be reflected in the "reviewability" score and not the sound? I mean that's why they're there (along with a description to help out) right?
True, however sound quality is like a circle in the least. anyway, my condolences for you having to mess with that kind of opinions.
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Re: Is there even a purpose to the sound rating?

Post by Lyrs » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:41 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:I mean REALLY, it's not hard to get a bad sound rating, as long as it's from an MP3, CD or some other common digital source, it'll earn a 10.

Better to ask how the hell you get a 9, I mean the audio is either perfect, or it's so poorly encoded or recorded you don't care to listin to it even. Heh.
As for the original question, if it's to be used exactly as Phade stated, then yes, it's useful, but only when you can tell the difference. and for that, you have to have some nice ears and plenty of nice audio equipment. my myself, i don't, so it doesn't make much of a difference to me.

however i do feel that the having sound quality as a part of the whole scoring system is giving it too much weight. sure the scores don't matter :wink: , but that's somethign you only realize when you've been in the "system" long wenough. OTherwise, it does make a world of a difference.

So my point, sound quality has too much weight in the scores.
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Re: Is there even a purpose to the sound rating?

Post by dwchang » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:49 pm

Lyrs wrote:So my point, sound quality has too much weight in the scores.
Actually according to my calculations, sound quality is 6.6% of your overall score (that is used for top 10%). It's obviously not as high as Overall or Reviewability.
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Re: Is there even a purpose to the sound rating?

Post by Lyrs » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:55 pm

dwchang wrote:
Lyrs wrote:So my point, sound quality has too much weight in the scores.
Actually according to my calculations, sound quality is 6.6% of your overall score (that is used for top 10%). It's obviously not as high as Overall or Reviewability.
:shock: 6.6%!
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Re: Is there even a purpose to the sound rating?

Post by dwchang » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:57 pm

Lyrs wrote:
dwchang wrote:
Lyrs wrote:So my point, sound quality has too much weight in the scores.
Actually according to my calculations, sound quality is 6.6% of your overall score (that is used for top 10%). It's obviously not as high as Overall or Reviewability.
:shock: 6.6%!
Overal: 33.3%
Reviewability: 33.3%
All the rest: 33.3%

All the rest = Sound, Video, Sync, Originality and Effort

33.3%/5 categories = 6.66%

I know teh math.
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:59 pm

Yeah, reviewability is the big hitter. It's the lowest average score on the org but the most important.

Most of my arty/tech videos get pretty low reviewability scores. I do pretty well on the composite score, usually.

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