Hello! Can anyone help me?

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 5:33 pm

I know I am. I have both opinions and facts to post for it.

Anime Jedi · Post by **Anime Jedi** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 6:02 pm

Hi VampyreMiyu. Welcome!

Hope you enjoy your time here at AnimeMusicVideos.org. This is a very debated topic. I myself am not very sure on the specifics. But here's an idea to ponder, aren't introductions and endings to television series really music videos? Most are just scenes set to music. Ya, ya, I know they're made by the company, and use their own music. But it's just an idea... lol

LSM53 · Post by **LSM53** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 7:04 pm

first a lot of people will tell you what they think, and what the law should be, not what it is

downloading mp3's is illegal (unless you own them)
distrubting them to people who do not own that mp3 is also illegal (and there is no way u can post a AMV on the internet with a disclaimer saying u must own this Anime and this song to download this video, cuz it won't work

its the same for the anime, downloading a licenced anime is illegal
as it distrubing one u've bought to people who havn't

unlicence anime is a bit of a coin toss, on one hand if you really want it you could probally order it from japan, (via a region 2 disc) and yet, even some animes u couldn't buy from japan

on the other hand, its unpractical to do that, and is not governened by any local law...so its hard to say what is right.

but since you are talking about an ethical paper, you can't always look at the law, for example, bob is drowning in a lake, you break into a boathouse to get a boat to save him

did you break the law? yes, you broke into the boat house
was it morally wrong? no, you saved bob's life

so remember that in ethics, law is not always correct

in my opinion. AMV's are perfectly fine except for the mp3 factor, which is kind of a problem, but ignoring that, i think they don't use enough of a series to validate (morally) stealing it, and they do promote series, many of my freinds have seen AMV's and then wanted to see the series.

buddykiller · Post by **buddykiller** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 8:23 pm

the point i'm making is this: while it is TECHNICALLY illegal, it falls along the same lines (roughly) as the speed limit, i.e. going 60 in a 55 mph zone, while technically illegal, is still accepted as legal. Furthermore it's not "plagerism" because we give credit to the owner of both. I don't see any of these companies (both anime and music) taking owners of fan sites to court, even though most of them are using and distributing copyrighted matrial illegaly. Even this website is guilty of that by using images of characters used without the permission of the owner of that characters image. Also, if you wanna get realy fucking technical, everybody thats ever sketched their favorite anime character and posted it on his/her website has broken the law, people even sell these sketches making money from them. But yanno what? Nobody cares. Why? Because it's not a threat, amv's are not a threat to neither the anime nor music industry so nobody gives two shits!!! The only reason mp3s caused such an uproar is their accessability and ease of use, they are so common anymore, like i said everybody and their mom has downloaded at least one mp3, the industry saw a threat and BAM took action, this is not applicable to the amv community because it takes special programs and things to dissassemble an amv and extract the music from the file, the video is rather useless unless you plan to use it to make another mv because it has no audio, who's gonna download 1500000 akira amvs just to watch the movie with no audio????? on the same note, who's gonna download a 100mb amv then extract the audio, format for cd burning, then burn when they could just download the fucking mp3? in conclusion, are amv's illegal? Yes, but only technically! So you see, its not just what people think the law should be or how they feel, it's a fact.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 4:51 pm

The law says it's illegal. Simple as that.

All the people here who has downloaded an amv is a criminal. Welcome to teh club.

/end

Stoic · Post by **Stoic** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 5:00 pm

Actually you are wrong there... It is not illegal to download it... It is illegal to DISTRIBUTE it.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 5:06 pm

Stoic wrote:Actually you are wrong there... It is not illegal to download it... It is illegal to DISTRIBUTE it.

LOL! I get you man. Yep, it's all about the "distribution." LOL!

So were not actually criminals for downloading mp3's or amv's? ROfL!

/end

Stoic · Post by **Stoic** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 12:34 am

Lyrs wrote:
Stoic wrote:Actually you are wrong there... It is not illegal to download it... It is illegal to DISTRIBUTE it.
LOL! I get you man. Yep, it's all about the "distribution." LOL!

So were not actually criminals for downloading mp3's or amv's? ROfL!

/end

Actually that is true. Cops don't care about the people who recieve the material they are more concerned with the sources.

For example, a friend of mine was using a vBulletin (a script that costs 200 bucks) he downloaded, when contacted about by the authority, he was informed that he would need to purchase a license, and tell them where he got it from. If he didn't tell them he would be obstructing justice... And would be charged with that, and not charged with owning pirated software.

Nightowl · Post by **Nightowl** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 1:29 am

Stoic wrote:Cops don't care about the people who recieve the material they are more concerned with the sources.

Tell that to Paul Reubens.

-N

Dannywilson · Post by **Dannywilson** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 1:48 am

Nightowl wrote:Tell that to Paul Reubens.

-N

HEH HEH!