Source Footage Ethics Symposium - I'm blowing your mind!

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:34 pm

x_rex30 wrote:I find this to be bs in a sense.

Well I'm not here to argue whether you agree with the statement or not, but it's the truth. There are numerous articles and writings citing the fact, anime companies have came right out and said it at times, and cease and desist letters have even been sent on occasion. It doesn't matter whether or not you think fansubs somehow help the anime companies, or that some buddy of yours on the inside thinks it isn't that big of a deal. The fact is, they don't like them.
Hell, I've been personally involved in the digital fansubbing scene since shortly after it's inception, and I've seen everything that goes on. On occasion, representatives from companies have even came onto IRC and outright said how they feel about fansubs.

But for that matter, they are generally pretty lenient and understanding, and definately aren't the kinds of bitches like the MPAA would be about it.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:00 pm

Zarxrax wrote:
x_rex30 wrote:I find this to be bs in a sense.
Well I'm not here to argue whether you agree with the statement or not, but it's the truth.

Man you must have some great connection with anime companies to jump to that conclusion.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:06 pm

but you probably know more about that stuff than I do.. so I guess you're right. But like I said.. if only they knew about people like me.

If they came after me for downloading anime it would be quite pointless though and not effective to the cause.. whatever that might be. The only point of doing that would be to make some money off of suing me, in witch case is the reason the RIAA tries to sue people.. It's not about getting their money back but just about getting money.. well that seems like the case a lot of the time.

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:18 pm

x_rex30 wrote:The only point of doing that would be to make some money off of suing me, in witch case is the reason the RIAA tries to sue people.. It's not about getting their money back but just about getting money.. well that seems like the case a lot of the time.

That's not the reason why they sue people. It's a scare tactic, and it works. Everytime the RIAA sues some high school kid for 2.4 million in damages, they are (probably) not actually expecting to get it. The subsequent drop, or alteration in online activity immediatly after a huge announcement is probably the immediate goal.

ZarXrax, you said that some anime companies complained about, or at least vented on hating the fansub community. What was the overriding reason that you got from them? Product dilution, distribution control, royalties? What?

Bashar: your whole topic is a cheat. The whole thing hinges on a site rule that has been around forever and tends to result in higher quality videos. (IE: people have to actually do things to make their videos better if you assume that they are trying to use DVDs as opposed to fansubs.) Sure there is hypocrisy, but... there you go. Just like some torrent sites won't let you link to raw providers and some fan art sites won't let you use copywright characters.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:56 pm

madbunny wrote:ZarXrax, you said that some anime companies complained about, or at least vented on hating the fansub community. What was the overriding reason that you got from them? Product dilution, distribution control, royalties? What?

I'd say the main point is that it lets people get for free the product that they are selling. Regardless of the real effects it has, this is a reasonable concern of all media companies. Their position is typically that fansubs are no longer needed, because the medium has become popular and doesnt need that kind of "help" anymore. Also, the transition from tape subs to digital subs has definately had the effect of making fansubbing much more akin to regular piracy.

At one convention last year, an ADV co-founder said that fansubs have a "devestating" impact on the industry. (source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention.php?id=217 )

DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:11 am

There is a pretty strong relation between the bitching about low quality video and subtitles and DVD useage on the forum. But not so much for LEGAL source. There seems to be much less issue if one's DVDs are rented or copied off a friend (Cause maybe you have a friend who's fanatical and buys yaoi R2 DVDs and will mail you 1:1 copies. >.> )

I think there are a lot less people who care about the 'legality' of source material than it seems and it's used as an excuse to bitch for QUALITY if source, since we can't support piracy on this board.

I think with h.264 and softsubbed fansubs/bootlegs can sneak it's way passed this problem.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:13 am

DJ_Izumi wrote:I think with h.264 and softsubbed fansubs/bootlegs can sneak it's way passed this problem.

You give people too much credit. We've already seen that people cant even figure out how to even PLAY these kinds of files, let alone enable/disable the subtitles at will ;p

DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:15 am

Zarxrax wrote:You give people too much credit. We've already seen that people cant even figure out how to even PLAY these kinds of files, let alone enable/disable the subtitles at will ;p

Well, it's not my fault if they're not technically skilled enough to make USE of it. As it is, using a DVD as source is as technicly demanding as using an MKV with h.264 in it.

JudgeHolden · Post by **JudgeHolden** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:22 am

Mr Pilkington wrote:Ethics are for wussies and politicians.

Who cares anyway?

Politician have ethics? I wanna live in your world ...