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Post by d00kiemastah » Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:21 pm

Kirbyoto wrote:THUS we should launch ALL our nukes while at the SAME TIME we all move to Mars!

Or something.
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Post by Toecutter » Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:06 am

If the CIA were smart, they'd sneak a briefcase nuke into one of North Korea's nuclear weapons plants. Once detonated, we'd have two advantages:

1. The enemy would have a greatly reduced manufacturing capacity for the development of ballistic missiles, for both nuclear and bio/chemical weapons.

2. The nuclear blast would appear to be the result of unsafe weapons development, making the UN weapons inspectors permanently shut down any North Korean WMD development, for the safety of the civilian population. This would erradicate one Red nation from the MAD list, greatly reducing the risk of a counterattack.

That's how you win the Cold War. We use the domineering cutthroats in the UN to our advantage, and then start up another Arms Race. Like Reagan did before, a Third Arms Race would bankrupt every remaining nuclear-equipped nation in the world, giving us a ridiculous advantage.
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Post by Simpi » Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:21 am

Toecutter wrote: That's how you win the Cold War. We use the domineering cutthroats in the UN to our advantage, and then start up another Arms Race. Like Reagan did before, a Third Arms Race would bankrupt every remaining nuclear-equipped nation in the world, giving us a ridiculous advantage.
Oh, so now UN is good for something after all?

As for smuggling things into North Korea, good luck. What do you think would be the consequences when his CIA operative is caught with this briefcase nuke.

Ooopsie...we were going to start a nuclear war and now everybody knows it. To balance things out a bit, we even gave North Koreans a free nuke.

But hey, accidents happens! Next time we'll be more careful....
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Post by Chao » Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:18 am

Of course that's ignoring the fact that even if it succeded they would be able to work out it was America. Firstly getting nuclear material to explode is very difficult, doing it by accident would be nigh on impossible. If anything went wrong, chances are the bomb would do almost nothing, just be a dud. Everything must happen precisely to keep the material together long enough for the reaction to release enough energy, if there was a tiny mistake in the process then it would fling itself apart before too big an explosion happened. Suspicion would be that the bomb was not North Korean due to the unlikely chances of it going off like that.

Secondly the amounts of trace minerals in the uranium/plutonium is usually quite distinctive and batches of it can easily be traced. The UN would run a check on it to see where it came from, which would point directly at America.

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Post by yuppa » Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:57 pm

well what about a "accidental Crashing " of a Korean 747 into the weapons plant, just brainwash a couple north korean's into doing it. :D
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Post by Toecutter » Wed Nov 26, 2003 2:29 pm

Secondly the amounts of trace minerals in the uranium/plutonium is usually quite distinctive and batches of it can easily be traced. The UN would run a check on it to see where it came from, which would point directly at America.
Actually, all of our radioactive materials we use today have to be imported from Africa, or other third world nations, because the government doesn't want us mining our own uranium. As for the briefcase nuke, how hard would it be to duplicate the crude enriching techniques used by developing nations? If the time was taken, we could add yet another layer of deception, by making the weapon look like a third-world country's attempt to frame the US. There's no limit to how complicated and untracable we could make this plot (except for the fact I'm writing about it on the web).

Besides, do you realize how many people still think a nuclear reactor will blow up if there's a meltdown? A nuclear detonation in a weapons plant in Korea may not fool the educated, but they are a minority, compared to the billions of fools out there who could be easily manipulated with the appropriate light show.
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Post by Chao » Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:08 pm

The fact that most people think a nuclear reactor will explode if there's a meltdown, or that a nuke would go off by accident, doesn't matter because the IAEA (i think that's what they are called) aren't most people and they are the ones that would say what happened.

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