Love

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:43 am

is a product of desire, which is a product of the reptilian and hypothalamic brains. Indeed, desire is something that provides a positive feedback when something beneficial is obtained, and negative feedback, or rather no positive feedback, when something beneficial is not obtained. The most significant thing in our pre-logical existance is reproduction, so the strongest desires are focused around this, and the most rewarding rewards are focused around positive feedback that there's a chance of mating.

Seems overly simplified, but it's true. That would explain why love is foolish, easily swayed, overrides logic, and causes such intense pain/pleasure when unfulfilled/fulfilled.

And it's intriguing. What is better? To purge oneself a la the buddhic way of desires, or not? The desires are not essential anymore, since we have the logical ability to say "hey, we need to have kids or the race will die off". They are easily swayed and lead to mistruth. They are the older and instinctive part of our being.
And what if we put them into disuse? What will evolve in it's place? A more evolved part of the brain? A higher form of logic?

Intriguing to the maxXx.

Note that I'm speaking of popular emotional love. The kind that causes the feelings around the chest cavity. The kind that causes huge happiness when fulfilled and huge problems when unfulfilled. The kind that's pretty descriptive of a lower function of evolution. Platonic or logical love is totally different.

Hmmm
/heavy thinking mode

azulmagia · Post by **azulmagia** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:46 am

I'm sure that makes great sense, whatever that means.

*must return to wanking*

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:48 am

There are tons of idiotic love threads to spam. This one is > 90 IQ only.

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:03 am

Tab. wrote:The most significant thing in our pre-logical existance is reproduction, so the strongest desires are focused around this, and the most rewarding rewards are focused around positive feedback that there's a chance of mating.

Disagreed! The number one driving human force is not reproduction, it is infact destruction. Look around you! Indeed reproduction is heavy, but the amount of destructive human behavior exhibited day to day vastly outweighs reproduction by and easy scale of 4:1. This is adding even the most miniscule without excluding the great. Humans, yes they do indeed spread faster than the plague; but face it, as fast as we manufacture others, we have the capability and willingness to destroy even more.
Hell, the fact that many use sex as a means by which to relieve tension is alone proof enough. Then ponder the remaining evidence!

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:12 am

The fact that we destroy a lot doesn't contend the fact that our number 1 physiological drive is reproducing the race. It is. You can't argue that

El Banana · Post by **El Banana** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:14 am

However, a driving factor could be society's "watch" on people. Many don't do what they'd like to do simply for fear of reprisals.

I mean, how many times this week have you played with the idea of destroying those that anger you?

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:24 am

love wasn't evolved to facilitate reproduction.

love is a result of us being a highly social species. a key ingredient to love is compassion, an understanding of other's feelings. to be compassionate requires an understanding that other living things have thoughts and feelings. this understanding is limited to the most highly cognitive species.

love isn't a desire derived from our drive to reproduce.
lust is.

azulmagia · Post by **azulmagia** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:48 am

Tab. wrote:There are tons of idiotic love threads to spam. This one is > 90 IQ only.

I wasn't spamming. It's just when one reads something it's preferable that the actual prose be coherent.

George Orwell wrote:The writer either has a meaning and cannot express it, or he inadvertently says something else, or he is almost indifferent as to whether his words mean anything or not.

I mean, most people have heard of Platonic love, but what is logical love? I trust it's not what goes on in those Star Trek fanfics where they have Kirk boning Spock in the ass. Whatever the case, logic and love are too different and probably incommensurable things; I'd take love any day.

The Beatles said "All you need is love" but they also said "I am the Walrus, googoogajoo!", so even the experts, i.e. songwriters don't understand what love is as a ding an sich. Besides, love gets all the credit but without lust eventually you'll feel like moving on to someone else. Sort of like what John Lennon and Yoko Ono, but God only knows what he saw in her.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:03 am

downwithpants wrote:love wasn't evolved to facilitate reproduction.

love is a result of us being a highly social species. a key ingredient to love is compassion, an understanding of other's feelings. to be compassionate requires an understanding that other living things have thoughts and feelings. this understanding is limited to the most highly cognitive species.

love isn't a desire derived from our drive to reproduce.
lust is.

Our nature to reproduce and the wiring which gives us the rewarding sensation at the onset of reproduction combined with our ability to comprehend our feelings of attraction and those of another form love by and large, but that doesn't change the fact that the drive and the base emotions/rewards come from our ancient brain, and the rest is endowed by our self-aware logical part.

The emotion love is a responsive reward at the onset of a partner engagement that could lead to reproduction. Drive=Love.

azulmagia wrote:I mean, most people have heard of Platonic love, but what is logical love? I trust it's not what goes on in those Star Trek fanfics where they have Kirk boning Spock in the ass. Whatever the case, logic and love are too different and probably incommensurable things; I'd take love any day.

Logical love is a mutual care and understanding for someone. It's not as thickly rooted in the rewards centers, which is why you're not going to chose it over emotional love - you're ruled by your animalistic desires and your addiction to the positive reenforcement it provides.

I don't mean to make any attacks or anything, but it's something I've been thinking about

most people will try to argue it's falsity because nobody wants to have to seperate themselves from those endorphins or whatever. But when you look at it logically, it's just a fact. It's not good or bad.

gadoo · Post by **gadoo** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 4:22 am

love is based on chaotic theory

AnimeMusicVideos.org

Love

Love

Re: Love