Love

)v(ajin Koji · Post by **)v(ajin Koji** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 5:17 am

For cherries

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 12:40 pm

Tab. wrote:Yes, the love I was speaking of is desire.

You can't talk about love like it's 2 different things. It's not. Nor is desire. It's asbolutely impossible to say that Love is Desire and Desire is Love. That's the most absolutely rediculious thing I've ever heard. Thats like saying Faith = Truth.

Emotional love. Emotion = desire = feeling.

See, you seem to think that Buddhists simply do not feel. They're mere shells of numb. I don't think you quite understand the concept of Buddhism. Emotion does not lead to desire. Emotions are feelings. Desire is wants. Desire leads to suffering. Emotions do not.

The love that creates pain when absent and happiness when present. Trademark qualities of what a buddhist must avoid. If you can shed no tears over lost love, it's not the kind of love I'm talking about.

Any Buddhist will tell you that they love as much as you, or me, or anyone else. HOWEVER, they do not WANT. There's a big difference there.
'The love that creates pain when absent' isn't love at all. It's desire. It's lust. The tears you shed over lost love is nothing more than personal loss. The desire and want to be with someone that you can't, leading ultimately to suffering.

Buddhists have the philosiphy of 'keep an open hand and let things pass freely.' The idea behind Buddhism is to rid the world of suffering. Rid the world of desires. Thus, keep an open hand. When you keep an open hand, and a butterfly lands in it, you can admire it, you can enjoy it, and you can even love it. But when it flies away, do you attempt to catch it? Or do you let it go? If you try to chase after it, you didn't appreciate it while you had it, and desire it for your own personal gain. If you cant catch it, you lament, thus, you suffer out of desire. If however, you let the Butterfly go and pay it no mind past the time it was in your hand, then you have truely freed yourself from desire, and suffering on this instance. Who says a Buddhist couldn't love that butterfly during the few intimate moments they shared? It's not love that causes desire.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:42 pm

Wow nailz.

:::+ 10^10000 respect::

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:50 pm

That's why I like him.

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:21 pm

Well put

Too well put..... 8)

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:48 pm

No, nailz, there are MANY different kinds of love. You seem to be missing the point of what I'm saying entirely. Love that entails desire is not necessarily lust. Say I feel good because I know my girlfriend loves me, thus, I desire her affection. If she were to leave, I would be depressed. There's no lust in that, and yet it's still desire. Only selfless platonic love has the properties you described, which I've clearly stated that I'm not talking about. Emotions that invoke a positive response become wants, because when deprived of them, it results in negative emotions. Should be simple enough.
I'm not sure if you understand Buddhism. The point is to eliminate polarities, which are the effect of Maya. Through the quieting of the mind and the desire body and the ascention of the self, one can break through Samsara and transcend Maya itself. The love included in this is an affinity for all things, since all is one, however, emotional attachment will one day break, thus making it finite and part of the illusion.
Buddhists may not choose to be numb to their gross bodies, but then they aren't taking enlightenment seriously enough. I can't blame them, but, I know not to even attempt awakening the higher self while I'm still bagged down by attachments to these existances.

KhayotiK · Post by **KhayotiK** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:41 am

I cry sometimes after eating a taco. Why? Because the taco is no longer there for me to look at and marvel it's beauty, but it will always be with me... At least for a couple hours... Damn Taco Bell.

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:52 am

I understand Buddhism just fine, in fact, I consider myself a follower... and nothing you brought up pertains at all to anything your argument claims. Think about this then: A Monk is meditating by himself when his master comes in and starts banging around. The Meditiating Monk asks politely for the master to be quiet. He's trying to reach enlightenment. So the master calms down. Then proceeds to start banging pots and pans. The Student, now thougherally fustrated, says Master: Please, I'm meditating! The Master responds "If you take a piece of coal and squeeze, even with all of your strength, will you be able to turn it into a diamond?" The student thinks for a while, and says "No, I couldn't." ... To which the master says "Then how do you plan on achieving englightenment through meditiation?"

Alas, I can spew off things that have no meaning as well. But to prove my point that you, I take your own quote.

Say I feel good because I know my girlfriend loves me, thus, I desire her affection

You desire her affection. If the love you share is mutual, then it can grow and thrive. If it's suddenly ripped away, and you become depressed about it, and want it back, then you DESIRE there to have love restored. It's all pretty simple and straightforward. I don't understand whats so hard to see about that fact. If you can't let something go, then you suffer. Desire is caused by love.

I'd love to put in more, and argue with you about the buddhist religion (god knows it'd be easy to pick apart your post there) but thats not what the topic is about.

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:53 am

Lyrs wrote:Wow nailz. ::+ 10^10000 respect::

See, i'm not always just an "I hate you and want to shit on your face" guy. =P

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:16 am

didn't know that.

then again, i didn't know you were a guy.

my point is you can't shit because of the dick in your ass.