WOOOOO WAR!

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 5:00 pm

What I mean (darn lack of edit button) is if it really is an accident. Intentionally that would be a bad thing. But it would be quite ironic if some one standing in the middle of a street protesting got hit by a car, for no reason other than the driver didn't notice them.

Speaking of murder, would a protestor who blocks the flow of traffic and impedes emergency vehicles from reaching their destination face homicide charges (if someone who could have been saved, died due to the protestors)

The roving protesters also stalled firefighters trying to respond to emergencies, fire officials said. Firefighters also assisted police in some cases by using bolt cutters on protesters who had locked their arms together in metal sleeves.

Giton · Post by **Giton** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 5:05 pm

Really, this isn't over oil...

Of course its over oil! Do you really think Bush is spending billions of dollars on a war and risking a major economy crisis just because he gets pissed by a dictator from a "country-whose-name-an-American-would't-know-if-there-wasn't-war"?

Iraq has most of the worlds oil reserves, except Saudi Arabia that has even more.
And it is known that the Saudis are the main supporters behind September 11th. The reason why the US can't attack them directly is because of the oil, US economy depends on oil from terrorists - fact!

The war's goals are securing the Iraqi reserves for American companies on the one hand and thus weakening the power of the Saudi-Arabian kings.
Nobody can tell me that this war is just for love and world peace...

AKH257 · Post by **AKH257** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:14 pm

ur just saying that cause ur a german

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:17 pm

Curiousity here: Where does Germany get its oil from?

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:31 pm

jonmartensen wrote:Curiousity here: Where does Germany get its oil from?

They drive cars that are powered by their own feeling of self worth.

MCWagner · Post by **MCWagner** » Fri Mar 21, 2003 8:56 am

Giton wrote:
Really, this isn't over oil...
Of course its over oil! Do you really think Bush is spending billions of dollars on a war and risking a major economy crisis just because he gets pissed by a dictator from a "country-whose-name-an-American-would't-know-if-there-wasn't-war"?

Iraq has most of the worlds oil reserves, except Saudi Arabia that has even more.
And it is known that the Saudis are the main supporters behind September 11th. The reason why the US can't attack them directly is because of the oil, US economy depends on oil from terrorists - fact!

The war's goals are securing the Iraqi reserves for American companies on the one hand and thus weakening the power of the Saudi-Arabian kings.
Nobody can tell me that this war is just for love and world peace...

Wait...we're attacking Iraq because we want their oil....and we're not attacking Saudia Arabia because we want their oil.....something doesn't make sense here.

Hey, why didn' we get the oil the last time we invaded Iraq?

El Banana · Post by **El Banana** » Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:50 am

It's not exactly like that.
During the gulf war, the oil prices raised quite a bit. Overall, the profits from it were around 60 billion. Now, Over there, half of the money from the oil goes to the government, the other half to the companies.
Who controls much of the oil over there? The big 7 (Exxon, Shell, etc)
All american multinationals, 5 of them state-owned. So that's 30 billion dollars for the companies.
America's not after the oil fields. Bit war is a very profitable business indeed.

*Note: What I stated above is purely from memory, if I can find the article again I willl post the rest of it....

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Fri Mar 21, 2003 1:11 pm

The United States gets 12% of it's oil and gas from the Middle east, down from 40%.

/end

Giton · Post by **Giton** » Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:20 pm

ur just saying that cause ur a german

Yeah I am German, so what? Any problems with it?
As somebody said: Americans must be glad that Germany is so pissed off by US politics. Iraq as an enemy seems like a joke and France, Russia
or China are not important anymore since there is Germany.
Yeah, its really fun to be in the Axis of evil.
And you stupid Yanks - go to the window, stick your head out and...

Note: self-ironic

Curiousity here: Where does Germany get its oil from?

Of course we get our oil from the middle east (though most we get is from Russia or Norway), but till now we alwasy could afford buying it.
Cynical voices already told it is stupid for Germany to not join the war.
But the point is that this situation could have been solved with diplomatic matters.
I think the world would have agreed with bush if the ultimatum has been set on a date two weeks from now or if Mr. Hussein wouldn't have agreed in disarming - yet he did and therefore this war is unjust!
The problem Saddam Hussein was created by the US and is somehow now solved - but with millons of dead people and only few of them were killed by the Iraqis.
Even high ranking US politicians called operation Desert Strom one huge war crime for what the US troops have done to Iraqi civilians.
Hopefully this war doesn't get such serious but Iraqi defence seems quite strong... at least stronger than imagined.

They drive cars that are powered by their own feeling of self worth.

Cool idea, no more polluition, no more stink and a lot of self worth

Wait...we're attacking Iraq because we want their oil....and we're not attacking Saudia Arabia because we want their oil.....something doesn't make sense here.

Hey, why didn' we get the oil the last time we invaded Iraq?

You read my post, did you?

A) Yes, US (companies) want the Iraqi oil.
B) US is not attacking Saudi Arabia just because they can't.
Saudi Arabia delivers the oil US needs to make war on Iraq

Maybe Saudi Arabia is next?
C) You didn't get oil last time because you lost

During the gulf war, the oil prices raised quite a bit. Overall, the profits from it were around 60 billion. Now, Over there, half of the money from the oil goes to the government, the other half to the companies.
Who controls much of the oil over there? The big 7 (Exxon, Shell, etc)
All american multinationals, 5 of them state-owned. So that's 30 billion dollars for the companies.
America's not after the oil fields. Bit war is a very profitable business indeed.

Right, many people say the US army set the spouters on fire during Gulf War I, because Exxon ordered so...
Their profits rose by three times back then.

The United States gets 12% of it's oil and gas from the Middle east, down from 40%.

Thats nonsense. As far as I know US gets at least 30% from Middle East, but that doesn't matter at all.
You can sell oil everywhere, you know

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Fri Mar 21, 2003 8:40 pm

Giton wrote:
Cynical voices already told it is stupid for Germany to not join the war.
But the point is that this situation could have been solved with diplomatic matters.
I think the world would have agreed with bush if the ultimatum has been set on a date two weeks from now or if Mr. Hussein wouldn't have agreed in disarming - yet he did and therefore this war is unjust!

Your lack of education is astounding. He never disarmed. The BBC just confirmed they've been firing 2 different types of long range missles at Kuwait they

a: denied having
b: claimed they destroyed
c: denied them ever existing

If you remember, Iraq was not permitted to possess any type of long range weapon. The resloution called for IRAQ to come to US and SHOW US they had been destroyed. NOT for US to go find them and ask why they weren't destroyed.

The problem Saddam Hussein was created by the US and is somehow now solved - but with millons of dead people and only few of them were killed by the Iraqis.

I still dont understand this. US didn't create Saddam. . . .He participated in a government coup as a military advisor. When they won the coup, he executed everyone else and installed himself into power almost 30 years ago. We didn't create him. Go read a history book or something.

Even high ranking US politicians called operation Desert Strom one huge war crime for what the US troops have done to Iraqi civilians.
Hopefully this war doesn't get such serious but Iraqi defence seems quite strong... at least stronger than imagined.

you havent watched the news. the bombing runs are so precise on military targets that most of the city of Baghdad still has electricity.

C) You didn't get oil last time because you lost

If we really wanted oil, we would've annexed Kuwait when we liberated them from Saddam.

Right, many people say the US army set the spouters on fire during Gulf War I, because Exxon ordered so...
Their profits rose by three times back then.
Thats just stupid. what kind of business sense is that?

The United States gets 12% of it's oil and gas from the Middle east, down from 40%.
Thats nonsense. As far as I know US gets at least 30% from Middle East, but that doesn't matter at all.
You can sell oil everywhere, you know

its not nonsense, and the number is actually even lower than that the last time I saw a report.

Also if we were just in this for oil, wouldn't we have left once Saddam set off those bomb in southern Iraq and started burning the oil fields?