The Voice of reason intervenes. [about console gaming]

[Kamoc]

[KillDieMurder]

But that aside, I'm considering doing something completelly inane and making a checklist of things to do if you want to be considered a hardcore or oldschool gamer. It wouldn't be anything new or extravagant or some sort of bible to live by. Just things any gamer does but compiled on a list. Beat OOt on 3 hearts without using a continue once, that kind of thing.

You only need one thing on that list: Beat battletoads for NES.

You can even use the 5 lives code. Fuckin' hardest thing i've tried so far.


And I agree with your first post. Real gamers like games, not consoles. I bought my GC just for the resident evils. The dreamcast still gets played regularly, my xbox is used for NES games more than anything. And my ps2, well, I think they're manditory nowadays.

[Onideus_Mad_Hatter]

Name one.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/373/373041 ... ?fromint=1

Ironic that the best Selling Game cube title of 2002 WAS A SEGA GAME!

OOOooo, someone's gonna get a head bashing!

First of all, you notice in that line up there how more than HALF the games listed are all sports game? *snicker* Yeah, and how many of those sports games are also ported out to all the ther systems?

And no freaking DUH that the best selling Game Cube title of 2002 (well for a few months in 2002 anyway) was a Sega game...CAUSE IT WAS SONIC! I mean, hello, smart move again on Nintendo's part, they go and contract with Sega to get Sonic so they can basically pick up ALL their existing customers.

And to the rest of you n00bjobs who keep saying that if people hadn't waited a year for PS2 to get Dreamcast...uh, why fuckin would they? Was Final Fantasy gonna be ported to Dreamcast? No, no it wasn't.

Just how important *IS* Final Fantasy? Well in just the FIRST WEEK of release in JAPAN it sold over 1.54 MILLION copies...in ONE fucking WEEK! o_O

And you screw jobs are trying to say we would have bought a Dreamcast instead of a PS2 if we had just waited a year? Yeah, maybe if we were idiot Sega supporters who cared more for senseless hardware than we do games. In my opinion, no Sega supporter is a gamer, they're just a technology buff.

[Brsrk]

The only next-gen console I own is a GameCube, but I mainly got it for Super Smash Bros. Melee and Metroid Prime, but now that I have a car a some cash (finally) I've been able to check out the other games for it and some are meh and some are w00t!!! I can't afford a PS2 or XBOX cause it's $180 (I paid $150 for my GC when XBOX and PS2 were still $300 ACK!) One of my friends has an XBOX, and the online gaming is uber fun, although we only play Halo cause that's practically the only game he owns... A few of my other friends have PS2's and say that the games on it are amazing (Legacy of Kain: Defiance for one). The only other reason I would get a PS2 is for the DVD playback and an XBOX for the online gameplay, plus both consoles have games I'd like to try that GameCube doesn't offer, Metal Gear Solid for instance, although that's coming out soon for GC... I still have all my systems back through the NES (my uncle has my Atari 2600 I THINK it's a 2600), except for my N64 which I sold to get a GC and Metroid Prime, which I think is an amazing game despite what GC-bashers say...

There's my 2 cents... Oh wait, I need those to buy Mario Kart: Double Dash ::takes them back and throws in a wooden nickel::

[derek_t]

First off, the best system is whatever system you like the best.

I mean different systems should offer different needs. Me personally I like PS2, but I won't attack Gamecube or XBox fans. Thats like attacking the fans of game genres.

And just my 2 cents on the story of Sega. I have a book called "The history of Video Games" (good book, go to your bookstore and check it out). Sega wasn't so much killed for the lack of games but for the different consoles. For those that forgot the dreamcast was like the 4th console in less than 2 years Sega offered. Alot of Sega fanbase was angry before dreamcast came out. They felt Sega was making them pay for the console with almost no game support. That may be why dreamcast just didn't do too well in either market. Game buyers had enough of the console switching that Sega was putting them through.

[dwchang]

First off, Hatter you're a retard. Sega made some of the best games in the 90's and early 2000's within their Dreamcast and Saturn systems. They continue to make good games today and although it saddens me that the Dreamcast died, it makes sense with all the "big companies."

Although I own other systems, I'm with Otohiko on this one. I *love* my Dreamcast. It is easiliy my favorite system, even after buying my PS2 and GC. The sheer number of games I bought in that short span is astounding...and even more amazing is how good each of them was.

No good games from Sega?

Sonic series?
Virtual Fighter series?
Sega GT series?
Nights?
Panzer Dragoon?
Shenmue?
NFL/NBA/NHL2KX series?
Jet Set Radio?

All of these games are great and most of them made quite a bit of money.

And then there's the third party support. It's not a secret that most of the third parties were rooting for the DC and thus supported it.

-Soul Caliber? Still only system to have it.
-Marvel vs. Capcom 2? As much as I hate this game, it still came out on the DC first and did quite well.
-Resident Evil: Code Veronica? Notice how the PS2 and GC finallly got it?
-Grandia 2?

Need I go on?

BTW for someone who claims to know so much about games, it's funny that you quote Final fantasy numbers when in fact it's the #2 video game in Japan. Anyone who knows anything would have easily quoted Dragon Quest instead. The frenzy over this Enix game is exponentially greater than any Final Fantasy. Too bad A) I dislike Dragon Warrior games and B) there hasn't been a new one in awhile.

In closing, the Dreamcast was a great system and Sega makes great games. As for the true reason for this post, which people (including myself) have gotten away from, I think that quote in the beginning is quite nice. It's about the games...not systems. Too bad PS2 has most of them and GC has a couple first party. Regardless, there are good games on all systems and it's fun...which is what matters.

[dwchang]

And you screw jobs are trying to say we would have bought a Dreamcast instead of a PS2 if we had just waited a year? Yeah, maybe if we were idiot Sega supporters who cared more for senseless hardware than we do games. In my opinion, no Sega supporter is a gamer, they're just a technology buff.

This is so retarded that I had to reply again.

The DC is about hardware? Is that why it was the weakest in design among all the other competitors? Sure it had some nice features like 4 controllers, modem, etc., but to say it's all about hardware is retarded and to say anyone who supports them isn't a gamer is astronomically stupid.

Then again, no one here is suprised by this level of stupidity. Hell just read the Video Software forums with you and Tab (in which he pwns you...every time).

If your argument were true, wouldn't that equate to a bunch of us DC owners without any games? Shouldn't the hardware be enough for us to be in awe for days? I dnn't think so. A lot of us own plenty of games for it and have fun.

As for the reason it died...think about it. Sony on one end. Microsoft on the other? Nintendo somewhere in there? The market couldn't survive with 4 competitors. It's simple economics of supply and demand. There was a saturation of products and it makes sense that someone would die out.

Unfortunately, Sega made some bad decisions in the past (as Derek noted) and paid for it. It has nothing to do with the hardware or games. There was a plethora of good games.

[CaTaClYsM]

Name one.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/373/373041 ... ?fromint=1

Ironic that the best Selling Game cube title of 2002 WAS A SEGA GAME!

OOOooo, someone's gonna get a head bashing!

First of all, you notice in that line up there how more than HALF the games listed are all sports game? *snicker* Yeah, and how many of those sports games are also ported out to all the ther systems?

And no freaking DUH that the best selling Game Cube title of 2002 (well for a few months in 2002 anyway) was a Sega game...CAUSE IT WAS SONIC! I mean, hello, smart move again on Nintendo's part, they go and contract with Sega to get Sonic so they can basically pick up ALL their existing customers.

And to the rest of you n00bjobs who keep saying that if people hadn't waited a year for PS2 to get Dreamcast...uh, why fuckin would they? Was Final Fantasy gonna be ported to Dreamcast? No, no it wasn't.

Just how important *IS* Final Fantasy? Well in just the FIRST WEEK of release in JAPAN it sold over 1.54 MILLION copies...in ONE fucking WEEK! o_O

And you screw jobs are trying to say we would have bought a Dreamcast instead of a PS2 if we had just waited a year? Yeah, maybe if we were idiot Sega supporters who cared more for senseless hardware than we do games. In my opinion, no Sega supporter is a gamer, they're just a technology buff.

Hey, screwball, you missed the other 4 titles that were breaking the 100,000 in sales. And no, noone said that anyone would have bought a dreamcast if anyone had waited a year. That's you're dyslexia at work. (To quote Dave.) Now leave, and take your stupid with you.

[SSJVegita0609]

I suddenly felt the need to post my personal opinions of consoles I've used extensively:

Nintendo: Oldschool greatness, the first Castlevania and Metroid games stole my life away as a child, I didn't own the system so I only got to play it when we were at my grandparents house, it made the long trip up there so worthwhile.

SNES: An RPGers box of tissues (Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy, Earthbound, Secret of Mana, etc) and my personal favorite system of all time, super nintendo is sex in gray box form. It had probably the best group of games of any console ever, including todays.

Genesis: Fun times, not as good in SNES IMO, but it had some very classy side scrollers and is still the best thing to play Earthworm Jim on. Its really more for casual gamers than anything else.

Gameboy: Meh at best... It had Tetris and Pokemon, nothing else really worth mentioning.

Game Gear: THE SHIT! It kept me alive on road trips when growing up. I played Prince of Persia and Sonic Triple Trouble til I could beat them with my eyes closed... one handed.

Saturn: Panzer Dragoon + some of the better sports games I've played made Saturn fun for at least a little while. I never owned it, but my friend did. We had some good times playing multiplayer VirtuaCop2 with ghetto oldschool Lightguns... Those were the days...

Playstation: It took over where SNES left of as the RPGers box of tissues. Plus the introduction of so many new ideas for 3d gaming made PSX one of the better systems ever created. I mean, how about we have a game where you choose a super car and battle with other super cars? Yay Twisted Metal! Not to mention FF's VII-IX and Tactics (which I just started playing again btw). Yeah, this may be my 2nd favorite system.

N64: It was inconsistant, but when it was good it was damn good. Some of the launch titles were just brilliant (Mario 64, etc). Then it went through a suck phase pretty much until Ocarina of Time. I always wanted a good RPG to come out, but never really got one (with the exception of Ogre Battle 64, which was awesome). All in all, half the time I felt like the console had no worth, the other half it was the greatest christmas present I'd ever gotten.

Dreamcast: I liked it, it was worth the buy, but I'm not a splooging fanboy, mainly due to the lack of RPGs. However, some of the fighting games were the greatest I've ever had the pleasure of playing, and it was a decent sports game console as well. Sonic Adventure was as good as Mario 64 for its time, and House of the Dead 2 was always good for a few laughs (at the dialogue mainly) and solid gameplay.

PS2: My favorite of the next gen consoles, backwards compatability = best idea ever, seeing I'd never owned a PSX and suddenly I could play all the games. The console's main downpoint is the lack of great multiplayer titles, its got some decent ones, but no party games. It also took over for PSX and became the newest RPGers box of tissues. Good times.

X-Box: A huge fucking waste of money. Anything good you can buy for Xbox you can get better for PC. On top of that the amount of good franchises unique to the system is very very low (Shemue and JSR are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head). Halo's a good game, sure, but Halo PC beats the hell out of it, so do many MANY PC FPS's. I'm probably gonna get some flak for this, but Xbox just doesn't hold anything up to any other systems.

Gamecube: Although I don't own one, I'm a fan of the cube. I hate seeing people bash it because they're insecure in their masculinty. "Kid's Purple Lunchbox"? I mean, come on, thats the lamest thing I've ever heard. It's currently the best Multiplayer system I've ever seen (Mario Party/Kart, SSBM, Nightfire, etc etc), and, SHOCKINGLY, has some great games that AREN'T made for kids. The entire RE series for instance, + Zero, which is great from what I've played of it. Plus the new Zelda game, although goofy looking, is fabulous. And ever hear of this little thing called Metriod: Prime? Well, it too is great. The Cube is here to stay, and those who bash it are ignorant sluts.

Gameboy Advance: I like mine, its basically the lovechild of SNES and PSX, making it a worthwhile buy. The only problem with it is the way Nintendo's been using it as a god damned moneypit. Not only are they easy to lose, but they release a backlit one AFTER everyone has the original? Dammit. Great games though, worth buying.

[CaTaClYsM]

What's really going to be funny is when Sega releases Shining Force 4. If they do. Why they havent is still a mistery to me.