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[SSJVegita0609]

Right now that mass majority of the world's population hates the US.

I would say that the mass majority of the world do not hate the U.S., but are rather disappointed and frustrated by America. Certainly there are elements that do indeed hate the U.S. but I feel they are still a small percentage of those who are against the U.S. military involvement in Iraq.

I suppose hate was too strong a word. Dislike or disapprove of may be better statements.

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[Kamoc]

street rat
riff-raff
i don't buy that
if only they'd look closer
would they see a poor boy?
no siree.

cmon apu.

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that's it...I'm bombing you...

[Kamoc]

with measels missles?

[EarthCurrent]

with measels missles?

right you are

[Dark Dragon]

Why not use the Anti-scum brigade instead?

[madmallard]

Germany and Japan certainly enjoy great prosperity, and they didn't change by example, they were defeated and surrendered to US in ww2.

No thats not right!
Germany was a democracy before Hitler came to power and it archieved this democracy by itself - ever heared of the Republic of Weimar?
Thats what Germany was called from 1918 - 1932.
Yet, as history shows, it was a very unstable democracy for several reasons.
The after war democracy wasn't set up by the US, but by the elected leaders of the federal republics.

You misunderstand my language. I wasn't saying the US set up a US government, but a government of the locals.

Also US didn't change much in Japan. There was a distince bureaucracy since the shogunate, which was improved during the Meiji Era.
Still political decisions in Japan are not formed by the government itself but by the officials. The only thing that changed after WW2, was that people could now elect their leader and military had less power...

I'll come back to this one when i can cite some references. {digs out japanese encyclopaedias} but rest assured, that IS what a democracy is, remember? When the people can choose their elected officials? No matter how much infrastructure was in place at the time, thats a pretty staggering change of government the US helped build, along with its constitution.

We went in after leveling them (along with many other countries over the years) and rebuilt them.

False! US did spend a fair amount that helped us to get back to business.
Yeah - get back! I deed especially Germany was and still is excellent in many sciences. Who worked on the American nukes? Emigrated Germans! Who archieved the moon landing? Oppenheimer - Hitlers left hand! Most of the work that helped rebuild Germany was done by it's citizens and life wasn't easy. The time after war is called an economic "wonder". US helpel us getting started, but thats far away from saying they "rebuilt" Germany.

again you misunderstand me. I wasn't saying the US is responsible for these things happening, but that these things could happen because of what the US did before it its rebuilding efforts, along with all the help from the other allies that sent relief.

And we wont even get into the fact that those fellows who were our biggest German scientist help to America, including the great American I mentioned before Mr Eintstein, were Jewish.

The same goes for Japan - emperor Meiji himself lead his country to the peak of technology. And the process of rebuilding was also done by the people, not the US troops, nor government.

I'll come back to this too, i wanna make sure i get my references right, but my japanese history is better than my european.

We standardised the language, set up the basics for an infrastructure of government,

You're wrong again. German language was standardised in the Middle Ages - did the US exist back then? NO!

okay okay, i shoulda qualified that one, I was meaning Japan and Japanese schools, not Germany.

Japan language still isn't really standardised today, but the common Edo or Tokyo standard accent exists as standard since the Tokugawa shogunate, also Middle Ages.

{adds to list}BTW, accents? Those arent languages any more than Y`all is a word in English. I'll give more specific examples in a bit.

then eventually left.

No. Sure thing is they are still there. US forces almost have more bases and troops here in Germany than our own army.
Same goes for Japanese bases.

I didn't mean the military bases. Hell, Quu grew up on one practically, i'm not about to overlook Okinawan bases either.

The point was while we set up a temporary infrastructure to get stuff funneled in from all over the world gave all the locals, Japan and Germany, a much better chance of putting the country back together.OF COURSE the US didn't single handedly put Germany back together, and I never said that it did. However, the way you're stringing it together makes it sound like the US did NOTHING to fix what they broke, which is even more absurd than my words being mis-interpreted.

And lookee who was kicking our economic butts in the 80's. . .sure wasn't Canada

It was the Americans own fault. Because of the technological inflexibility and superior attitude of many American companies they delayed innovations to save money and all of a sudden Japanese and German products were much cheaper and better. Thats the rule of the free market!
If you afraid of such things then go home to uncle Kim Jong Il of North Korea and his communist economy.

who said i was afraid? Didn't you see my other poat about Am-Air dying out? It wasn't americas fault alone, it was the fact that Germany and Japan we're doing it better. It wasn't our own fault by any stretch. If it was, we'd have the semiconductor, the heavy machinery, and the global automobile market back in our pockets just because we decided to 'get serious.' trying to assert we were responsible for our own 'downfall,' or whatever, fails to acknowledge the fact that Germany has significant engineering and design power and Japan has a great innovation think tank, among many other strengths.

my point there was that those countries aren't worse off for American intervention. We can cite exmaples that directly contribute to the fact that both countries were doing much better industrialy and economically in the world than America for a time. bringing it to a point, I find Iraq to be in a similar position. With a better infrastructure, they would become the holy terror, and in a good way this time, in that part of the world.

the way you're snapping back on this point seems self effacing. Not to mention the way you're saying it seems to make it sound like its a bad thing for us that those countries were doing so good and America was doing . .less than. Are you kidding me?

third, italy supports america.

Berlusconi supports the US because he's after money.
80% of Italys population don't -> thus Italy doesn't support America as well Britain doesn't (over 70% against war).

yeah well, he said countries, not populace.

If you don't like what I wrote then there can't be helped.
I am German and had 7 years of intense history lessons, I was majoring geography and economy for 2 years and lately studied a bit Japanese history.
Sorry to say that, but what you wrote is crap!

i'll get back to you when i have specific references on the Japanese stuff.

Something to say about stupid protesters:
You're lucky living in the USA. The protests here in Germany were even more severe - they blocked streets and even railroads, some went even to Iraq as human shields.

Violent peace protestors are repugnant.

[madmallard]

Right now that mass majority of the world's population hates the US. If we hadn't brought up Iraq, then that wouldn't be the case, and a LOT more people would like us right now. Just ask yourself, what does all this hatred mean for the future of our country? Nothing good I assure you.

and we care, because why? Since when is the state of America and world safety hinge upon a popularity contest.

We didn't bring up Iraq to be popular obviously, we brought it up because it was time. The rest of the world however has issues with us and uk telling them that this is just as much their responsibility as it is ours, and that they're trying to shirk their responsibilities.

That being said, time for more views. There were 9 official wars going on in the world, that number was too high as it stood, and now there are 10. You'd think with all our technology and smart bombs we'd have enough sense to figure out a way to get things done without fighting other nations. But no, sadly, no.

What does a smart bomb have to do with a preventative war political policy?

[/quote]As you may have guessed (And thats an understatement), I'm an idealist. I feel like mankind is capable of anything, even universal peace. Can it be achieved soon? No. But can it be done? Yes. And this shit isn't going to help. Sure, ridding the world of Saddam is a great thing, but how much hatred are we creating in the process? Where does it stop? A pre-emptive strike policy is useless, if all countries used it then India and Pakistan would've nuked each other to death by now. I sincerely hope people like Bush don't remain in power. He's directly leading to the birth of a massive explosion of conflict.[/quote]

Okay, for the last time, I dont understand where you guys all get off at saying this is some kind of pre-emptive strike. This is a resumption of the Gulf war from 12 years ago

everybody is so concerned with Treaties and Sanctions and Resolutions. . .we should use the UN resolutions, make terms, blah blah blah blah

After the gulf war, we set terms of his surrender for his regime's disarmament. He said he could get it done in 15 days.

12 years have passed, and he has not done anything but break the resolutions, rules, treaties, and terms of surrender. I'm sure Schwartzkopf is happy all of his effort basically eroded away.

and now since he broke those rules, we are RESUMING the hostilities to extract him and his regime. This is NOT pre-emptive. He has even publically stated that time is on his side, all he has to do is keep people distracted and we would forget about him

well, were done forgetting along with the rest of the coalition.

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