American POW vids

[buddykiller]

No sensable person who is against the war is also against United States Soldiers.

In fact, the reason for a lot of the protests is to keep our soldiers safe.

[Mroni]

Ogrish.com is where you go to see the video clips yep shot in the head no doubt about it. Anyway Let's all hope this war is over soon. Whether we hate each other or the parties involved or what not.

Mr Oni

[buddykiller]

Ogrish.com is where you go to see the video clips yep shot in the head no doubt about it. Anyway Let's all hope this war is over soon. Whether we hate each other or the parties involved or what not.

Mr Oni

O_O i think the world is going to fucking blow up or some shit... for once i can say i actually agree with Oni... omg... somebody take a fucking picture!!!

in all seriousness though, i agree whole-heartidly with him....

[Simpi]

As far as press bias...yes the press is biased. The fact that they're run by human beings and not calculators means that the people involved are going to have views on the events, and those views will affect their work. Fact of life. Oh, and the US have not bombed any TV stations, water plants or electrical switching stations. The state-run TV stations are still going. You can take their word for it, if you prefer...I just don't think it'll exactly be less biased...

I watched whole footage and i'm willing to believe there was some foul play involved. Whole truth will come out sooner or later.

I was being sarcastic about Iraqi soldiers, of course press cannot do it, they are not even allowed to interview POWs. I do however find it hypocrite and spewing 'crocodile tears' considering the whole situation. I'm sure you disagree so no reason to continue on this one. You did bomb Iraq tv but so far it's running (unless that second strike took it out for good).

btw, there is one finnish human shield at Baghdad. Even one peace activist on national tv called him 'idiot' and I agree. He has no place being there and he was called yesterday by a finnish tv and he said Iraqis have given human shields some guns, 'just in case'. Even more worrying is that he actually considered using it.... what a Jackass.

[Dark Dragon]

Saw the whole thing, now I'm even more pissed off.

, Now I think it's time for some can of whoop ass to be unleashed on some stupid Iraqi's and Saddam, the sick Bastich needs to be put down.

Come on, how can anyone be dumb enough to go for that terrorist of his own people? People have been shot, raped, bombed, gassed and vandilized by this egomaniac with a tinge of psychotic tendences, good grief, how they think they'll get on God's good side by killing their own people just to make the other Iraqi's hate America is just sick.

And to bombing the tv station, so what? I'd say nuke`em all to hell! But then the innocents would be killed also... grr, I hate war like this, can't tell who's good and who's bad and even when one bystander is hurt people yell and bitch about the war being pointless if people get hurt.

War is hell, if people think that you go in and can get out alive without a scratch... then you must be smoking somthing.

My poem thingy;
I pray for the soldiers that die today, and for those that lose their lives tomorrow.
I mourn for the ones that get caught in the cross fire, and die also so horribliy.
But I will dance on the graves of those that have done these horrible deeds,
For guess what...
I hate Saddam nearly as much as Osama.-

[madmallard]

What makes me even more angry is the fact that people, and especially the US looked away from Saddam and let him do as he pleased.
And now, all of a sudden Saddam is the bad guy again and has to be stopped IMMEDIATELY. After such a long time of waiting?

The fact that Saddam was allowed to stay in power after the first Gulf War, even when we knew exactly what kind of a bastard he was, represents a massive betrayal of the Iraqi people by the entire international community. I agree completely that this should have been done long ago. Waiting any longer would have been a further betrayal.

you know who's really disgusted? The American people. We were disgusted at Bush Sr for not standing up for finishng the job. As soon as we beat the holy hell outta Saddam and sent him packing all the way to Bagdad, the UN had to come in and say "OK! WE'LL TAKE IT FROM HERE!" We were left going, "excuse me? You did nothing to prevent this situation from happening and did almost nothing to support the removal of him from Kuwait except bang your fist, and now you wanna do something?" But alas, our administration faltered then and accquiessed to the whiniest players in the international game, those who were wanting to take credit for the action that US and UK sunk into it for the sake of not upsetting any egos of the smaller, less committed countries. and what did the UN do? it proceeded to wag its finger at Saddam for 12 #%&^ years going "NAUGHTY NAUGHTY SADDAM!"

and our mistake? Letting Clinton do nothing about it, making false treaties and securing fake friendships for the sake of PR and corrupt businesses. (nkorea, kyoto, etc)

I can't stand the sentiment that America is blameless for what happened here. . .

But what i REALLY can't stand are ignorant Anti-Americans and Foreign nationals trying to come up with a lame arguement why we shouldn't be extracting the Iraqi regime and the Baath party based on our own past mistakes.

oh, because we gave him some weapons 25 years ago because we were afraid that IRAN would stomp IRAQ out of existance and cause an Arabian war, we shouldn't do what we can now to extract his dangerous regime now that we have the manpower and technology to do it!?

What kind of an idiot are you?

The ENTIRE WORLD is to blame for Iraq's current position if you want to pin responsibility. From the superpowers too self-absorbed to be concerned with the other side of the world, to piddly little European Nations concerned with national commerce's effect on their economic market, to the Arab world for being so pig-headed racist and xenophobic in the first place.

to reinforce Matt's point, a chinese proverb: Don't keep doing what doesn't work.

The UN didn't work.. . .for 12 years. no resolution was going to get through the UN that allowed for US to initiate military action, because of France wanting to flaunt its own self importance, despite being truly impotent. It's "Cool" to hate America.

that should actually read "its easy to hate america." It's hard to look at yourself and decide to make a change compared to blaming someone else for your problems.

[kthulhu]

All I can say aboutthe UN is <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... >woohoo</a>!

The UN needs to buck up or shut down.

[Giton]

The ENTIRE WORLD is to blame for Iraq's current position if you want to pin responsibility. From the superpowers too self-absorbed to be concerned with the other side of the world, to piddly little European Nations concerned with national commerce's effect on their economic market, to the Arab world for being so pig-headed racist and xenophobic in the first place.

The UN is far away from beeing perfect, just look at the veto rights.
But instead of improving the situation US only says UN is crap and has to be abolished.
The UN's task is not primarily to fight wars against sovereign countries, but to keep worldpeace by treaties. One reason why the UN is still so unflexible is due to not having any troops. UN still depends on "donated" troops and its up to the independent countries how much troops are sent.

And over half of those "piddly European Nations" you mentioned did support the war or are even sending troops.
The only reason why 3 European countries are still against this was becomes clear now.
Out of Bush's 75 billion dollars to cover war efforts, only 1.5 billion are beeing slated for economical help and reconstruction, although Un quoted that at least 2 billion are needed to even cover immediate remedial actions.
Who thinks Bush is gonna pay all that needs to be rebuilt?
If someone can spend over 70 billion dollars on destroying something, he should at least spend a fair amount for retieval if he wants to claim to make a just war.

And the racist tendencies in Middle East don't come out of nowhere, it's mostly because of US failure in solving the Israel-Palestine conflict, that got quite severe since president Bush didn't show any interest in it.
And such a person wants to play world police?
Also racist tendencies against people from Arabian countries seem to have markedly increased over the past ten years.

It's "Cool" to hate America.

No its not. But why should people over here like Americans if they get blatantly offended by them?
And if you watched the news closely you might have realized that the demonstrations are anti-war, not anti-american.

The UN needs to buck up or shut down.

The last time the UN was shut down, was when Hitler gained power.
It would be no pride for Bush to step into his' footprints...
And honestly I don't think it'll come that far.
The UN needs more power and less bureaucracy, but it's also up to the US to archieve that goal.

I watched whole footage and i'm willing to believe there was some foul play involved. Whole truth will come out sooner or later.

Yeah, a cut-off hand and several headshots aren't injuries you normally get at war.
Question is if they were really murdered or if Iraqi soldier "overacted" when imprisoning them or jsut mutilated the dead bodies. Living prisoners are more precious to the Iraqi soldiers than dead ones, because they can be used as leverage.

[jonmartensen]

The UN needs to buck up or shut down.

The last time the UN was shut down, was when Hitler gained power.
It would be no pride for Bush to step into his' footprints...
And honestly I don't think it'll come that far.
The UN needs more power and less bureaucracy, but it's also up to the US to archieve that goal.

In 1945, representatives of 50 countries met in San Francisco at the United Nations Conference on International Organization to draw up the United Nations Charter. Those delegates deliberated on the basis of proposals worked out by the representatives of China, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom and the United States at Dumbarton Oaks, United States in August-October 1944. The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries. Poland, which was not represented at the Conference, signed it later and became one of the original 51 Member States.

Perhaps you're thinking of the league of nations.


The UN doesn't need more power, it has an amazing amount of power. But the constant political maneuvering of countries to get their personal "agendas" done renders much of what the UN tries to do, useless. Even when they can agree to do something, there is a severe lack of follow through.

[Dannywilson]

The sad thing is, the only reason the UN remains open for business, is the United States. You wouldn't have your UN without the 76% of the funding for it coming from us, yet we get the exact same amount of votes. Every year, over 50% of the countries in the UN default on their dues. What little trust I have in them is on shakey ground because of these numbers.